Kiehberg 1911 vs Malhotra&Sons Champion vs Smith&Wesson M&P45 Compact 2.0

[eldespot]

I am Confused with these options, which is the best in the game? And is Smith & Wesson's M&P45 2.0 Compact available to civilians, If yes How good it is?

[Vineet]

M&P not in market yet. Kiehberg vs MSD, I will go with MSD

[maniksachdeva]

HI!

Definitely go for Kiehberg 1911 as its a very high quality weapon with 100% imported parts assembled by Syndicate Innovations International Ltd. Manufactured by Girsan Turkey which has a big presence in USA along with 55 other countries. Magazines are from ACT Mag Italy.
The company is offering 10,000 accurate shots guarantee which is unprecedented in the Indian market.
Girsan Turkey is the recepient of Handgun of the year award from American Rifleman Association in Shot Show Las Vegas USA in 2024. By far it is the best quality weapon launched in India. You wont regret buying this!

[casual shooter]

They are fleecing.....

[chicky]

I feel Kieberg is quite expensive but then all .45 Calibre guns from India are more or less similarly priced. Have you finally decided on the Calibre ? if not, would recommend Malhotrasons .30, it's reasonbaly priced and is one of the best sellers and is well reputed.
And please, in no way do I hint at your spending capacity, it's just the best value for the money that I focus on.

All the best

Chicky

[timmy]

I am Confused with these options, which is the best in the game? And is Smith & Wesson's M&P45 2.0 Compact available to civilians, If yes How good it is?

eldespot, you have not told us what the game is that you want to play. There are many uses; please tell us what you want to use the gun for, so we can help answer your question. For instance, do you want a gun for carrying as a self defense gun? Do you want a gun for shooting at the range? Do you want a gun just because you want one, like a collector?

Maybe you want a gun that will suffice for a number of things, which is understandable under the two weapon limit.

Help us understand what the game is that you want to play.

[pgupta]

I am Confused with these options, which is the best in the game? And is Smith & Wesson's M&P45 2.0 Compact available to civilians, If yes How good it is?

eldespot, you have not told us what the game is that you want to play. There are many uses; please tell us what you want to use the gun for, so we can help answer your question. For instance, do you want a gun for carrying as a self defense gun? Do you want a gun for shooting at the range? Do you want a gun just because you want one, like a collector?

Maybe you want a gun that will suffice for a number of things, which is understandable under the two weapon limit.

Help us understand what the game is that you want to play.

Sir, the game in India is very simple, the game is to have a gun for safekeeping. The ammo quota is anywhere between 10-50/year with proof given of why and where you fired those rounds before you get next year quota, with that you can't even practice, you can't even use it in self defense because that will also ensure that you spend years in a court case. But yes despite that I still have a gun at home to be used as a last line of defense in case of a threat to my family.

Hope this clarify.
Regards

[timmy]

pgupta, I understand your characterization of a deplorable situation, and I don't disagree, but the question was posed to eldespot, the OP, to see what his intentions are.

Plese refer to dsingh's observation here:

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=29555&p=279102#p279102

He is referring to the same question.

Most important factor why u need pistol for self defence or for shooting sport.

[eldespot]

pgupta, I understand your characterization of a deplorable situation, and I don't disagree, but the question was posed to eldespot, the OP, to see what his intentions are.

Plese refer to dsingh's observation here:

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=29555&p=279102#p279102

He is referring to the same question.

Most important factor why u need pistol for self defence or for shooting sport.

I want a pistol primarily for self-defence, but I also want the best possible option available in India — in terms of technology, reliability, and overall performance.
I’m also open to suggestions and recommendations from experienced members here, especially those who’ve had hands-on experience with currently available models.

[Operator]

pgupta, I understand your characterization of a deplorable situation, and I don't disagree, but the question was posed to eldespot, the OP, to see what his intentions are.

Plese refer to dsingh's observation here:

viewtopic.php?f=12&t=29555&p=279102#p279102

He is referring to the same question.

Most important factor why u need pistol for self defence or for shooting sport.

I want a pistol primarily for self-defence, but I also want the best possible option available in India — in terms of technology, reliability, and overall performance.
I’m also open to suggestions and recommendations from experienced members here, especially those who’ve had hands-on experience with currently available models.

If you want a pistol for everyday carry not just self defence at home the first and foremost thing i would suggest is size of the weapon and how comfortable is it to carry it everyday , in our hot climate and thin clothing even the best of holsters make it painful to carry a full size 1911 with 7 or 8 in the mag .
If you still want to go for a .45 ACP 1911 then I would suggest Girsan any day MSD has along way to go to be able to compete with international manufacturers . The only factor that puts me of Girsan is their Turkish company because of their stance against India .

M&P i was also waiting for but I don’t think they will ever get that here , if they do i would be surprised . No response from the company or commitment regarding the launch timeline.

Good luck

[timmy]

Operator has identified a key issue in the hot climate and thin clothing needed to cope with this. Additionally, the humidity and sweat from the body is an issue that can affect durability.

Weight, as Operator said, is another factor to consider. When you have the weight of a full sized gun strapped on your belt all day, there is a difference between a polymer framed gun or an aluminum framed gun on one hand, and a steel framed gun on the other. A range -- target shooter might prefer an all-steel gun. Or, you may prefer an all steel gun because you like them. (Consider that you are not going to wear out a decent polymer or aluminum framed gun with the normal ammunition quotas!) Hanging extra weight on your belt all day can make you change your mind on this. I have not weighed them, but I have carried a CZ70 32 Auto in a Galco Royal Guard IWB holster for many years. For the last year, I have been carrying a full duty-sized 9 mm polymer frame pistol in another Galco Royal Guard holster. Having a good holster makes a lot of difference in both comfort and safety -- don't underestimate this! But my 9 mm weighs about the same unloaded as the CZ70 does.

Years back, I did carry a 1911 (genuine Colt) 45 Auto and also a Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt. Later, I carried a Colt Dectective Special in 38 Special. Ignoring the merits of each of these, none of them is as practical or comfortable as my polymer 9 mm due to this weight issue.

Another factor: I weigh between 125 and 130 Kg and am ~ i.8 m tall. It would be harder for someone of less weight and height to carry a full sized pistol concealed in thin hot weather clothes than it is for me, especially because I live in a high altitude dry climate and very thin clothes are not necessary for me to wear. In the summer, I usually wear a cotton sportsman's/fisherman's vest that comes down low enough to conceal my pistol. you may not have that luxury.

So physical build, climate, practical clothing, weight, and all of this might enter into your decision making process.

I advise against a "Star" or MSD 30 pistol, as they are unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber. The cartridge (7.62x25) is powerful enough, and with the right hollow point bullet should be satisfactory for self defense. But in a self defense situation, you may not have the luxury of two free hands to rack the slide and thus may not be able to bring a Star into action if carrying it safely. This is not a quality issue, it is a design issue.

Operator also points out the Turkish issue. I admit that my 9 MM is a Canik, a Turkish pistol, and it has been quite satisfactory so far. I bought it over a year ago and found no fault with it, but now, after recent events, I don't think I would make the same decision for obvious reasons. This is another area in which you must make a personal decision that doesn't depend on quality, materials, design, and so on. Other issues are involved, and you may decide that these issues are importatant to you.

Best of luck.