identify this webley

gladiatornavi · Post by **gladiatornavi** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:21 pm

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MY friend who own this is saying that it is presentation model but he is not sure...pl put some light on this.........

bandukbhandar · Post by **bandukbhandar** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:56 am

Presentation models have engravings, they are mostly with chrome plating and have pearl grips.

This is not a presentation model..

gladiatornavi · Post by **gladiatornavi** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:01 am

thanks Sir,
but their is engraving on one side of barrel which states" Presented by The Chief Commissioner of Delhi to Pandit Krishna Gopal Dogra Inspector of Police For meritorious Service in Delhi Province from 1944 To 1946."
I request all to help us in identifying this.

TC · Post by TC » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:50 pm

The revolver resembles the Webley and Scott pocket models but the marking on the right grip is misleading. The company did not have these markings in any of its plastic grips.

Also, the end of a vital screw which should show on the right side of the revolver right above the main hinge screw is missing. The job of the missing screw is to retain the cylinder.

Also missing is the triangular holstering assist ramp which used to be there on all Webleys starting from Mark I to Mark VI as well as Webley Pritchard and Webley Fosbery, except the Mark III. But even if I take this revolver to be a presentation model from the Mark III series the cylinder retaining screw which also supported the extractor rachet is still missing. So this cannot be a Mark III as well.

Now, if we come to the shape of the hammer all I can say is that no regular model of Webley had a hammer like this. If this hammer was specially made then I wonder why it was shaped like this. If cocked, the end of this hammer should be sitting against the skin between the thumb and trigger finger.

Sorry, a pic of the left side may help.

TC

Katana · Post by **Katana** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:06 pm

This is not a true Webley and Scott revolver. It's a 'Webley Patent', probably in .32 Short calibre.

Try figuring out here http://www.armsresearch.co.uk/The%20Web ... chive.html

Can't seem to find the serial number Axxxx though.

I don't think it's made by W&B at all.

INSAS556 · Post by **INSAS556** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:48 pm

I assume its a version of webley & Scott MArk II .455, model 1894. or Mark IV model 1899 a relative of one of these two...

TC · Post by TC » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:20 pm

Katana wrote:This is not a true Webley and Scott revolver. It's a 'Webley Patent', probably in .32 Short calibre.

Try figuring out here http://www.armsresearch.co.uk/The%20Web ... chive.html

Can't seem to find the serial number Axxxx though.

I don't think it's made by W&B at all.

You are probably bang on target here Katana. This one could be one of those cheap copies made my small Belgian gunsmiths and marked as Webley Patent. The "P" on the grip is a pointer.

TC

ajaywig123 · Post by **ajaywig123** » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:25 pm

webley b series reblued

gladiatornavi · Post by **gladiatornavi** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:31 pm

thanks all for your valuble inputs.
The no is A5208 and i am trying to load left side pic as asked by some members..
the left hand side of barrel says Walter Locker Co. Ltd. Calcutta, Lahore and Delhi.

TC · Post by TC » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:42 pm

Got it. Its not Walter Locker but ...

In colonial India, Walter Lock & Co, a competitor to R B Rodda and Manton and Co, was also based in Calcutta and other Indian cities and was one of the overseas sales agent / distributor of Mauser, W Greener, Westley Richards, Webley & Scott and several other European companies and even American companies like Winchester and Colt. (I once shot one such lever action Winchester rifle in 44-40 cal. I was marked Manufactured by Winchester for R B Rodda Calcutta) But Walter Lock was more famous for its fine sporting rifles which fetch great price at auctions in Europe even now. Most of these rifles carry the name of Walter Lock on the barrel.

But I still doubt if this revolver was made by Webley and Scott and not by one of those companies that sold weapons under Webley Patent which people often call P Webley. In this case this revolver could be chambered for the .32 short like most other copies of Webley patents.

TC

gladiatornavi · Post by **gladiatornavi** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:19 am

Thanks Mr TC,

You got it right, IT is written LOCK not locker.....It was typo mistake.
on the main frame it is written " WEBLEY & SCOTT LTD..
BRIMINGHAM & LONDON."
and it has bullet design with W & S. written on left side.

Regards

chucky · Post by **chucky** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:57 pm

It may be one of these Mark IV revolvers (1946- 1949) numbers A1- A14999
refer http://www.armsresearch.co.uk/The%20Web ... chive.html

TC · Post by TC » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:51 pm

gladiatornavi wrote:Thanks Mr TC,

You got it right, IT is written LOCK not locker.....It was typo mistake.
on the main frame it is written " WEBLEY & SCOTT LTD..
BRIMINGHAM & LONDON."
and it has bullet design with W & S. written on left side.

Regards

gradiatornavi
In that case this should be a Webley Mark VI that was distinctly different from other revolvers in the series as I mentioned my earlier reply. You can check out the serial number for yourself in the link given by Katana and Chucky.
I have a hunch that the hammer was redesigned by a gunsmith in India for presentation because in my personal archives I have never come across a hammer of this shape. That is why I was very intrigued when I saw your post.

Regards
TC

BowMan · Post by **BowMan** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:26 pm

TC wrote:The revolver resembles the Webley and Scott Pocket models

Your hunch is probably correct TC. Seems a Webley WP Pocket Hammer Model produced till 1940.

Here are similar guns for sale with the same distinctive hammer. Does not seem to be a modification after all.

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Antique-Pistol ... 82691.aspx

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Webley ... =100267768

What a strange hammer design for a concealed carry gun, would get stuck in the lining every time one draws!!!???

gladiatornavi · Post by **gladiatornavi** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:10 pm

thanks Mr Bowman & TC for your valueable inputs........
Although i am little novice in this subject but due to my profession and shooting competition experience and inputs given by you people and showing this weapon to other Knowledgeable persons i have come to conclusion that....(pl spare me if I am incorrect and correct me)

My friend weapon is indeed a WEBLEY & SCOTT LTD. Made in england......MARK IV,
Made around 1946-47............and presented by Commissioner of police to Inspector....as on those days Inspector was quiet a respectable post...

Regards

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