Browning out Glock in for UK military

[The Doc]

Britain's army is replacing the Browning pistol it has used for more than 40 years, opting for faster and lighter Glock 17 Gen 4 pistols as its secondary sidearm. The Glock magazine capacity is 17 rounds, compared with the Browning's 13 also it is quicker on the draw. Glock has passed tests of extreme temperatures and climates. Glock has three internal safeties and can be kept loaded in a holster, unlike the Browning. The Glock's polymer frame also lends itself to customizations that weren't available with the Browning, like three different grip sizes, plus flashlights and laser sights can be added to its rail.
The decision to abandon the Browning came after it became increasingly expensive to maintain the steel-framed pistol as its parts like barrels, slides, trigger mechanisms and springs wore out. The defense ministry has signed an 8.5 million pound ($13.6 million) contract for more than 25,000 of the Austrian-made pistols.

Link --> http://www.mail.com/in-en/news/world/18 ... e-hero1-14

[Vikram]

Thanks for the share,Doc.

Here is the video of the announcement and some posing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20982435

And some photos from Dailymail







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Vikram

[Moin.]

Thanks for the share,Doc.

Here is the video of the announcement and some posing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20982435

And some photos from Dailymail

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Vikram

The Mumbai Don Amar Naik was cuaght by the Police with a Glock 17 too, had come in the papers.. Which is the side arm issued to Indian Infantry. And are lanyards still used in Armed forces across the world? That's a very nice looking one with the Glock...

Regards
Moin

[Safarigent]

Indian infantry still uses the iof 9mm pistol.
These are only issued to the SF guys

[only32owner]

I think Mumbai Police uses Glock. I have seen police men in Agra also carring Glock, but didnt get chance for close inspection . As I was there for few days and carrying my own gun so thought its better not to go and ask a cop about his gun

OT here,

Moin, you are correct about Amar Naik. Infact in early 90s many gangsters were having full auto weapons, including AK 47.
Know this because many of them were after the life of my family members for protection money.
Its a different story we never paid them, instead we got guns for ourselves.

Regards.

[xl_target]

Oh No! The Brits have gone over to the dark side . Thanks, Doc for this article.

Moin, Lanyards are still used in some armies and police forces. Most do not anymore though. The US does not.
With the today's combat shooting techniques, it would severely hamper the use of the pistol.

Below are some comments on the reporters comments. I realize he is just repeating what he has been told but it has a few misconceptions.

opting for faster and lighter Glock 17 Gen 4 pistols as its secondary sidearm

LIghter, yes but faster? How fast you fire a semi auto pistol depends on how fast the trigger can be pulled.

The Glock magazine capacity is 17 rounds, compared with the Browning's 13 also it is quicker on the draw

Quicker on the draw? What a bunch of crap. Someone's been watching too many cowboy movies. Maybe he means quicker to deploy and fire?
Even though you have to push the safety off on the Hi Power before firing, if properly trained, the right technique will have the safety off as the gun comes up and before it is pointed at the target. The single action trigger of the Hi Power should have a shorter reset than the Glock. There really should be very little difference in how fast the two guns can be drawn, presented and fired.

The Glock's polymer frame also lends itself to customizations that weren't available with the Browning, like three different grip sizes, plus flashlights and laser sights can be added to its rail.

The Hi Power has been used by the Brits since WW2 but all of a sudden the grip size is a deal breaker? Well, Here is my personal opinion. I have never liked the standard Glock grip. It's way too big and bulky for me. Having different grip sizes on the Glock is essential to fit all hand sizes especially since there are a large number of women in service now. The Hi Power's relatively slim grips did not need any adaptation for smaller hands.
What they say about the rail is true but the average grunt is not issued a gun mounted flashlight or laser. Those are usually used by special forces.

"When it came out in the 1960s, it was a fantastic pistol, but technology advances,"

It actually came out in 1935.

Soldiers have already taken note. "The easiest way to say it is we've been driving around in a Fiesta and now we've got a Ferrari," Sgt. Steve Lord, a weapons inspector, shouted over the sound of bullets at the London media event. While the Browning "got the job done," he explained, "now we're going to work in style."

The good Sgt. is obviously biased. Very few people would liken a Glock 17 to a Ferrari, I'd say that it's more utilitarian, like a pickup truck .
I'm sorry but the Glock holds very little glamour for me. I see it more as a utilitarian workhorse.
Now a Browning Hi power, that has class! Serious class!


Browning Hi Power. Seriously classy!

Still, all criticism's aside, the Glock will be cheaper to field than trying to keep an old pistol working. It is cheap, reliable, durable and accurate and makes a fine service pistol.
IMO, it just has no class but I'll happily admit that I'm seriously biased towards blued steel and Wlanut

A Glock 17.

[Skyman]

Very Good XL.

[only32owner]

What XL,

wrote here is from his knowledge and expirience.

If the UK military can read it and correct themselves. It would be good for them.

Good luck to UK military.

Regards.

[xl_target]

If the UK military can read it and correct themselves. It would be good for them.

Good luck to UK military.

I wasn't correcting the Her Majesty's Armed Forces, just the reporter and one sergeant who didn't know how old the P35 was and claimed a Glock was "quicker on the draw' than a P35 (whatever that means).
The rest as I stated, including my thoughts of the Glock vs the Ferrari, was my opinion.

So can you tell me exactly where I criticized the "UK Military"?

[only32owner]

Did I say or wrote, any where, that someone here is critisizing UK Military?

Just wrote they should, also consider expert advice from here also,only if they are reading. Before they go arround and spend so much $$$.

Regards.

[xl_target]

Sorry, only32.
I took your post to be sarcastic.
It is hard to convey tone in a forum post and I misread yours, apparently.
My Apologies.

I really was not trying to say that HM Forces had made a bad decision. A lot of my post was tongue in cheek.
A Glock makes for a great service pistol.

[only32owner]

Xl, please, dont say this.
I am very junior to you and look forward to you for many many things to learn.
What I wrote as a reply, to this post was never intetended to hurt any member of IFG.
If you feel, what I wrote is miss approprite, I say sorry.

I am here to learn from seniors like you. Kindly pardon me if you think I am wrong anywhere in my replies to this post.

Regards.

[timmy]

I wondered what powered the sergeant's words, myself. Decades ago, I knew an FBI agent. He had something to do with guns in the work group he was in, and told about a woman agent whose gun he inspected. She had a snubbie she carried in her purse and had spilled Coca Cola in it, and the gun was stuck to the inside of the purse. Once the gun was finally removed, it was rusty and inoperable -- he didn't go on to describe.

Perhaps HM's sergeant was thinking about how impervious to soft drinks the Glock's polymer frame would be?

But I agree, I can hardly imagine a Glock in Renaissance Grade.

[The Doc]

I'll happily admit that I'm seriously biased towards blued steel and Walnut

Words from my heart.

Perhaps HM's sergeant was thinking about how impervious to soft drinks the Glock's polymer frame would be?

[Moin.]

Thank you AB and XL, is'nt the IOF 9mm a copy of the Browning Hi Power Pistol ?

Regards
Moin.