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US Army 7.62 program cancelled

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:41 pm
by xl_target
..just adding more fuel to the 7.62mm vs 5.56mm debate :)
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The US Army’s program to field a new standard-issue 7.62mm caliber rifle is dead in the water, it seems. Multiple anonymous sources have informed TFB that the Interim Combat Service Rifle program has been cancelled as part of a massive review of US Army small arms programs. The program was officially announced on August 4th, and lasted just over a month before its cancellation.


Few specifics about the cancellation have been revealed, but TFB’s sources cited the lack of a pressing threat necessitating the change, poorly written requirements, little or no support from the ranks, and no backing holistic DOTMLPF assessment. If these reflections are accurate, then it indicate that ICSR may have been a poorly-constructed program driven by the preferences of the brass and not the needs of the actual soldier.
The cancellation of ICSR does not necessarily mean the end of the 7.62mm rifle effort, but any future programs of this type are likely to be organized in a more limited and conservative manner. It does seem likely that there will eventually be a new program for a 7.62mm or 6.5mm/.260 designated marksman rifle, which may offer the option for “assault” or “rifle” configurations in addition to a baseline squad marksman variant. However, for now, it seems that the effort to field a 7.62mm individual weapon en masse has ended, stillborn

Re: US Army 7.62 program cancelled

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:07 pm
by mundaire
Interesting! The military establishment here seems headed full tilt towards re-adopting the 7.62, whether it will be the 7.62x51 , the 7.62x39 or an entirely different cartridge, remains to be seen.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Re: US Army 7.62 program cancelled

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:40 pm
by xl_target
Abhijit,
From the original article that announced the program.
“To address this operational need, the Army is looking for an Interim Combat Service Rifle (ICSR) that is capable of defeating emerging threats,” the solicitation added. “The Government has a requirement to acquire a commercial 7.62mm ICSR to field with the M80A1 Enhanced Performance Round (EPR) to engage and defeat protected and unprotected threats. The ultimate objective of the program is to acquire and field a 7.62mm ICSR that will increase Soldier lethality.”
The Army will be moving to a 7.62-millimeter rifle and leaving behind the M-4 Carbine, as they believe the 5.56-millimeter round is too small to use on targets with modern body armor.

The rifle has to be capable of semi- and fully automatic fire, weigh less than 12 pounds, fire at a range of 600 meters, be able to attach a suppressor, have a collapsible buttstock, and have a rail for attaching lasers and optics.
Bothe 5.56 X 45 and 7.62 x 51 can defeat most common types of body armor that doesn't have some kind of hard plate insert.
7.62 x 51 cannot defeat current body armor (w/SAPI type plates). So the main reason for that requirement just went out the window.

As the US Army itself found out, when it went into Vietnam with the M-14 rifle, 7.62 X 51 (for the common soldier) is absolutely uncontrollable in the full auto mode. The laws of physics haven't changed since the late 50's so I don't know why they would even bring up a requirement like that.

Also... a 12 lb rifle? Really? It is like thy are quoting the specifications for the M-14 rifle.
I wonder which chairborne warrior wrote that requirement?

So I think the requirement was poorly thought out and written with some unrealistic expectations.