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mavshot
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ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby mavshot » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:36 pm

Hello folks,
I am from Punjab.just got my All India license.
it has been a great read all the topics here and just about anything i can think of has been covered here.so here goes my first post:

I f a person has been issued an All India License can it be revoked and the area validity be changed to state citing some rule or is it that AIL once issued will stay that way forever?

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veeveeaar
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby veeveeaar » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:07 am

It depends on the BASIS on which you had obtained the ALL INDIA Validity in the first place. On the comming of the Arms Rules 2016, only the persons with solid proof s laid down in the relevent table can get a All India Validity. Now on any review of your licence during Renewal or Normal scrutinyby NDAL ALIS , if you are not eligible, your Validity can be shrunk.All licences are dead and reborn on renewal as per the new Arms rules 2016. So it is not FOREVER.



goodboy_mentor
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby goodboy_mentor » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:13 pm

mavshot wrote:If a person has been issued an All India License can it be revoked and the area validity be changed to state citing some rule or is it that AIL once issued will stay that way forever?
veeveeaar has answered your question very well. Would like to add that legal meaning of license is permission. A permission is not a right. The permission is given on certain "terms and conditions". When any of the terms or condition get violated, license can be completely revoked or it's area validity reduced. If for some reason you think injustice has been done or your right violated, you can approach High court, if still do not get justice, may further approach Supreme court. This is why I have always been saying nothing to get elated on getting a "license", rather fight for your basic natural human right, for example here in the post via this link viewtopic.php?f=3&p=251579#p251548


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Vineet
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby Vineet » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:38 pm

veeveeaar wrote:All licences are dead and reborn on renewal as per the new Arms rules 2016. So it is not FOREVER.

This has been recently amended. All India validity will remain permanently. I will post the original amendment in a day or two.



nbk3y7k
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ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby nbk3y7k » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:56 pm

As per the new notification in Oct 2017, the area validity cannot be changed / amended at the time of renewal.....

Attaching the notification ... refer section2(ii)

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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby sniper2014 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:04 pm

nbk3y7k wrote:As per the new notification in Oct 2017, the area validity cannot be changed / amended at the time of renewal.....

Attaching the notification ... refer section2(ii)

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Can you please post the entire amendment for the benefit of all members ?



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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby nbk3y7k » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:06 pm

The remaining are related to manufacturing license , hence will not be relevant in this section. The amendment notification can also downloaded from MHA site...


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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby goodboy_mentor » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:34 pm

Old wine in new bottle and just eyewash. Nothing much to cheer about this amendment, because it clearly says if licensing authority satisfied that all india license is "not required anymore" it can change the area validity. "not required anymore" are the keywords in the amendment and rest is just a decorative story. Earlier also licensing authority decided if all india license was "required" to defend your own life or not, now also the same thing.


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mavshot
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby mavshot » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:45 pm

anyone who can share their experience when they went for renewal of their existing AIL............by reversal of permission i dont mean when the licence holder gets involved in any criminal activity but in the situation that the reason for which the validity was granted does not exist anymore........for ex a retired defense officer etc



mavshot
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby mavshot » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:37 am

anyone............?



goodboy_mentor
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby goodboy_mentor » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:27 am

While you may wait till someone tells from his personal experience, but from experience of others I can tell that arms license issue and renewal process is pretty much arbitrary and subject to whims and fancies of the licensing authority, and least rooted in the spirit of Arms Act 1959. They usually don't care whether someone is defense personal or not. But there is nothing much to be panicked or worried. If the license is revoked or area validity is changed arbitrarily, the matter can be appealed to appellate authority, if still no remedy, it can be taken to High Court.


All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth. - Friedrich Nietzsche

mavshot
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Re: ALL INDIA LICENSE

Postby mavshot » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:37 pm

goodboy_mentor wrote:While you may wait till someone tells from his personal experience, but from experience of others I can tell that arms license issue and renewal process is pretty much arbitrary and subject to whims and fancies of the licensing authority, and least rooted in the spirit of Arms Act 1959. They usually don't care whether someone is defense personal or not. But there is nothing much to be panicked or worried. If the license is revoked or area validity is changed arbitrarily, the matter can be appealed to appellate authority, if still no remedy, it can be taken to High Court.

thanks.well usually from what i have seen is that once an AIL always an AIL unless someone ends up doing something really stupid.Just wanted to find out if anyone out here has ever had any issues of such nature............




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