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Is a libertarian party only hope for gun rights in India ?

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Bhaskara
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Is a libertarian party only hope for gun rights in India ?

Postby Bhaskara » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:45 pm

Both the INC and the BJP has made it amply clear that they are not for gun rights. Regional parties also cannot be expected to fight this cause since talk of gun rights don't get you votes. The BJP, which was supposed to be the 'conservative' party has only tightened gun laws. This is the opposite of conservatives in the west who are generally the ones more lenient on gun laws.

The need for a true libertarian party for India is truly being felt, one whose focus will be civil liberties, including gun rights.



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Re: Is a libertarian party only hope for gun rights in India ?

Postby sumbriavikramaditya » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:49 pm

Are you suggesting a party same as Libertarian Party of US?



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Re: Is a libertarian party only hope for gun rights in India ?

Postby Biren » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:35 am

Hi,

Here weapon is treated as tool to suppress and not as self protection. Its is in bureaucracy veins to control. Here in one of delhi neighborhood when cops were told about thefts in colony of many measure they suggested were to close all colony gates except one increasing inconvenience. Same they apply on licenses by controlling the nos issued, instead treating armed citizens as force multipliers.

Awareness among citizens, which includes familiarization is the first step with proper shooting ranges. With outsourcing spree someday Political leadership will realize that its make more economic sense to have trained armed citizens then to raising battalion after battalions. There was this policy to train border citizens in rifle training in my area where SSB personnel use to come every year and train villagers and at the end of course every body was given 10 rounds to shoot.


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Re: Is a libertarian party only hope for gun rights in India ?

Postby Bhaskara » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:41 am

sumbriavikramaditya wrote:Are you suggesting a party same as Libertarian Party of US?


The Libertarian Party in US is not very influential politically. I was thinking of a party with libertarian ideals, one that would stand for BOTH social and economic freedoms. India severely lacks a party whose platform would be individual liberties.



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Re: Is a libertarian party only hope for gun rights in India ?

Postby Bhaskara » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:52 am

Biren wrote:Hi,

Here weapon is treated as tool to suppress and not as self protection. Its is in bureaucracy veins to control. Here in one of delhi neighborhood when cops were told about thefts in colony of many measure they suggested were to close all colony gates except one increasing inconvenience. Same they apply on licenses by controlling the nos issued, instead treating armed citizens as force multipliers.

Awareness among citizens, which includes familiarization is the first step with proper shooting ranges. With outsourcing spree someday Political leadership will realize that its make more economic sense to have trained armed citizens then to raising battalion after battalions. There was this policy to train border citizens in rifle training in my area where SSB personnel use to come every year and train villagers and at the end of course every body was given 10 rounds to shoot.


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I agree. In India, citizens are treated by default as potential criminals. Our legal principles are still based largely on the colonial mindset, where laws exist to suppress, not liberate. It's also worth remembering that the police and the bureacrats are a reflection of the society, and most people in India would themselves flinch at the talk of gun control. Critical thinking about our rights is severely lacking as a society. We have been conditioned into believing that government control is the solution to everything, from the economy to education to protection.
You talk of raising social awareness, but I wonder when and how this will come about. Talk of gun rights is not very mainstream even among the young generation. It is not a talking point for the media either. As someone in this forum suggested, perhaps linking gun rights to the fundamental Right to Life could be a potential way forward.




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