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NAGRI's proposals move forward

Post by mundaire » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:37 am

A quick update-

Suggestions made by NAGRI and endorsed by 108 MPs, have been reviewed by the Ministry of Home Affairs and sent to all State Governments for their views/ suggestions.

This is hopefully the first step towards more rational and citizen friendly laws.

Hope this will satisfy those who have been asking what NAGRI has been doing these past months. :-)

State seeks SPs’ views on changes to gun laws
HT Correspondent PROPOSAL Union home ministry makes draft that is signed by 108 MPs
Rahul Noronha
Hindustan Times (Bhopal Edition) - 11 March 2014, Page 4

BHOPAL: The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) proposes to make wide-ranging changes in the Arms Act and has circulated a draft of the amendments seeking the opinion of state governments on the same.

The MP state home department has circulated the proposed amendments that plan to liberalise gun laws in India, to district SPs seeking their views on 12 points pertaining to the amendment. The state government’s views are to be sent to the MHA at the earliest.

However, a call on the amendment will now have to be taken by the new government at the centre after the elections.

The proposed amendments include scrapping of the 3-weapon ceiling clause, allowing one person to have as many weapons as required, doing away with the area validity clause (which means all licences issued would be of all-India validity) and scrapping of the once-in-3-years renewal clause (making licences valid for a life time).

Other proposed amendments include permission to import one weapon from abroad in a lifetime by a licence holder, allowing unlimited ammunition to be possessed by a licence holder, introduction of a preamble in the Arms Act and licensing authority to explain reasons
why licences are denied to applicants. Through the amendments, the MHA aims to do away with what it feels is arbitrariness in the licensing procedure.

The proposed amendment is signed and supported by 108 MPs of the outgoing House. The process of amending the Arms Act has been on for more than two years.

The MHA had in May 2012 sought the views of the MP government and had pointed out that the opinion of the state government be sent by the end of the month. It had also pointed out that by then only 9 states/UTs had responded. The state government in January 2014, finally sent the proposed amendments to SPs for their comments.

Sources said that the amendment was pushed by MPs after the previous union home minister P Chidambaram brought in an Arms Policy that aimed at severely restricting the use of firearms.

This enraged MPs who were of the view that the move by then home minister amounted to bypassing Parliament as any change in the Arms Act should not be done without discussion in Parliament and after having been passed in both Houses.

“The proposed amendments are welcome, especially the import and renewal clause. The control on number of weapons or ammunition should not be there for sportspersons. A reasonable duty can be imposed on imported weapons,” said Bhopal Rifle Club president Aruneshwar Singh Deo.

PROPOSED CHANGES
- Scrapping of the 3-weapon ceiling clause
- Doing away with the area validity clause
- Scrapping of the once-in-3-years renewal clause
- Permission to import one weapon from abroad in a lifetime by a license holder
- Allowing unlimited ammunition to be possessed by a license holder



Centre cites ‘reasons for amendment’ to Arms Act
Rahul Noronha
Hindustan Times (Bhopal Edition) - 12 March 2014, Page 2

BHOPAL: The Union government has come out with ‘reasons for amendment’ stated by the ministry of home affairs (MHA) in support of its proposed wide-ranging changes to the Arms Act, 1959. The state home department has sent the proposed amendments to the SPs in the districts seeking their comments on it.

One of the proposed amendments aims to introduce a preamble in the Act which states that “it is essential to ensure easy access to firearms for training and ordinary civilian use and create a class of people whose services can be requisitioned by the state
in national emergencies”.

In the reasons stated for getting rid of the 3-weapon cap, the MHA states holding one, two or three weapons has no bearing on the
crime rate of the area and, hence, the cap should be done away with. The home ministry also proposes to allow import of one firearm
by a licence holder. Justifying its stand, the MHA says the second-hand arms market has no bearing on reality. The arms that are
available for a few hundred dollars abroad are sold for as much as `5 lakh or even `10 lakh to 15 lakh.

The dealers selling these arms under invoice state that a handgun sold for `5 lakh is shown as sold for `15-25,000, thereby creat-
ing a sink for black money. The MHA states that arms sales are proving to be an even bigger sink for black money than real estate.

In its defence to scrap the area validity clause in the arms licence, the MHA terms this a part of the strategy adopted by the British who were worried that license holders may rendezvous at a point and pose to be a challenge for the colonial empire. There is no need to continue with this provision and all licenses should be all-India validity.

The proposed amendments include deletion of section 14, sub-section (3) of the Act which allows the licensing authority to not state the reason for denying an arms licence to an applicant. The said section states, ‘unless in any case, the licensing authority is of the opinion that it will not be in public interest to furnish this information’. The reason for amendment cited by the MHA for the section states even in the age of RTI, there is a great deal of subjectivity and favouritism in giving licences.

The amendment would make it mandatory for licensing authority to disclose reasons for rejection.

On the proposed amendment to allow unlimited ammunition for licence-holders to train, the MHA says presently, they are unable to
train properly in the absence of adequate ammunition allowed on their licences. On the proposed changes for doing away with the
renewal every three years, the MHA states that it would take away a lot of burden imposed on the police. The power to suspend
and cancel licences will remain and act as a deterrent, MHA added.
Post edited to include text from the ePaper edition of Hindustan Times, Bhopal.
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Re: NAGRI's proposals move forward

Post by Pran » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:45 pm

Great going! Looking forward to seeing the draconian laws relaxed.

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Post by rohanrele » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:00 pm

Excellent!! Hope the laws if changed, favor people like us who are not competition shooters.

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Post by nagarifle » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:55 pm

nice one NAGRI
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Re: NAGRI's proposals move forward

Post by farook » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:41 pm

There are clauses in the arms act that just don't make sense. One can understand that its not justified to hold more than 50 ammo at one point of time. Why restrict the max ammo as we do want to practice with the weapon we paid for after getting a license legally.

Area validity, well if I am entitled to hold a weapon after a rigorous procedure why restrict it to one state.

Import of arms and ammo would be a big blow to the Min of Finance as nothing of what they sell is worth more than 20 % of its price tag
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Post by indiaone » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:30 pm

This is a welcome development. Now the decison will have to be taken by the next Government after the General Elections. What will be the final shape of the amendments can only be speculated upon at this stage. In view of the increasing crime against women, perhaps some special provisions needs to be incorporated so that ladies can be encouraged to go in for small arms in increasing numbers. Of late criminals are increasingly using illegal weapons as they know that the unarmed victim is in no position to resist or retaliate. The situation is bound to change if the proposed amendment/liberalisation if carried out.

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Re: NAGRI's proposals move forward

Post by TC » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:44 pm

Thanks Abhijeet.
Saw your post in the morning on another site.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Long Live Nagri



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Post by manu » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:05 pm

Dear boss,

i want to say only one thing.........................

WELL DONE

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Post by mundaire » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:52 pm

Original post edited to include text from yesterday & today's articles in HT Bhopal.

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Post by James_Bond » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:40 pm

. Great. Very nice it is. its really a goodnews.
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Post by essdee1972 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:55 pm

Abhijeet, Many thanks to you and all other NAGRI members for getting the government take one small step towards sanity!

Pity it took them 66 years to realise the "colonial rule" part of the Arms Act!!
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Post by chengis gun » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:13 pm

sounds very rational..hope it goes through

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Post by spin_drift » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:25 pm

Could somebody please post the complete list of the proposals made? And also, does the list include new checks and balances to put in place to check the Babus' discretionary powers and the nuisance they create when someone goes to get a license?
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Re: NAGRI's proposals move forward

Post by Kittu » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:26 pm

well done NAGRI
but some questions are bouncing in my mind
why mha sent such order when elections have been declared and they can do nothig
arm & ammo policy was declared in 2010 and rulligs were also sent to state govnts
was mha sleeping during 4 years awaken at time of elections
whats the cause of sending orders to burocrates
now burocrates will decide what mha should do funny
why they passed such orders 6 month back and amended arms act
whats the guarntee next govt will accept proposal from sps?
why they didnt amend arms act when they were in majority?
my local mp is not in list of 108 mps so i am going to kick him really hard
if any member think we will granted such a liberty.in your dreams gentleman
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Re: NAGRI's proposals move forward

Post by Hammerhead » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:29 pm

That's one heck of a GOOD NEWS
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