Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by xl_target » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:56 am

a_v,
I's sure that you are familiar with all that I have to say here, but there are many readers of this forum who are not.

I was born in India and completed my schooling there. I certainly lived a privileged life due to my father's station in society. I was taught that I was born in a free country; a Sovereign, Democratic Republic. I agreed with that definition and thought that as a citizen of such a country, I was a free man.

Somewhere along the line the words "Socialist" and "Secular'' were slipped into that description of the country. I didn't really pay much attention to those words at the time. It was a busy period for me as I was preparing to enter life as an adult. Maybe if we had known how badly things ended for the Soviet Union, we wouldn't have added the Socialist part. The next government that took power (for all their posturing and bombast) should have attempted to change the constitution back to its original form but Governments will never give up any of the power that they have assumed. However, that is history and we're stuck with the changes.

Now that I have lived in the US for several years, I find that my definition of what constitutes a free man has changed. While I firmly believe in obeying laws passed by a lawfully elected legislative body I have little time for non elected bureaucrats telling me that I can't do this or that if it is not specified in the law. While I understand that government workers have a job to do, I expect them to do it with professionalism and politeness and to stay within the law. That brings us to the constitution. The Constitution of the USA is the supreme law of the land and no matter what law is passed, it must be in accord with the constitution. The legislative branch of the Government makes laws and the executive branch enforces those laws but it is the job of the judicial branch of Government (the courts) to decide whether a law is constitutional (if or when the law is challenged).

The Second Amendment to the constitution states:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It doesn't say anything about collecting, it doesn't say anything about hunting or the sporting use of weapons and it doesn't say anything about what type of arms a person can "keep and bear". It just says that that right "shall not be infringed". So while everyone in the media is blabbering about what should be done and which weapons should be banned,etc. they should re-read the second amendment and maybe consider what the framers meant. Regardless of what I think and regardless of what others think, the final arbitrator of whether a law conforms to the constitution is the Supreme Court of the US.
All public officials, including the President of the USA, when they swear their oaths of office swear an oath to "preserve, protect and defend" the constitution of the United States.
One of them was of the opinion that India doesn't permit getting licenses easily and we are better off with that system, so something similar should be done here in the US. The other one believed that our fundamental/human rights are decided by society and whatever society decides are the rights we have.
As you are aware, your friends are wrong. They are not in India anymore and and what goes on in India doesn't apply to the US. The fundamental rights of a person in the US are guaranteed by the Constitution of the US of A. The second Amendment of the constitution is what guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. It also doesn't say that a license or any kind of test should be required before you can bear those arms.

Going back to the very first post in this thread:
Well,,, being a responsible guns owner, i myself fully condemn the shooting of innocent and beutifull children ,, and consider the RKBA as fundamental right and is staunch advocate for it , fully support the OBAMA administration to take what ever neccessary to be done to prevent CT incidents... so that RKBA should not be misled , misused under the shelter of 2nd amendment....
The second amendment doesn't shelter, hide and pervert anything. It is a section in the constitution (that is the highest law of the land) and as such any laws passed must conform to it.
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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by YogiBear » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:33 pm

Aloha,

Slightly OT

By now all of you have seen the Meet the Press show with NRA and David Gregory

Just by having the 30 round magazine on the show filmed in Washington DC(as I am told)

David is now a FELON. Washington DC laws FORBID owning a 30 round magazine.

By having it in his posession, he committed a felony.

Shows how easily laws are broken by criminals.

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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by Hammerhead » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 pm

And those who stand up to protect the constitution .........

69,548 sign White House petition to deport Piers Morgan
December 26, 2012 | 7:29 am |

At the moment, the White House petition to deport CNN’s Piers Morgan has 69,548 signatures – largely thanks to the Drudge Report linking directly to the petition page.

“British Citizen and CNN television host Piers Morgan is engaged in a hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution by targeting the Second Amendment,” the petition reads. “We demand that Mr. Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens.”

“Merry Christmas!” Morgan wrote on Twitter yesterday. “Even to those who want me deported.”
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You have to be a US citizen to sign the petition .........
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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by Hammerhead » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:47 pm

David is now a FELON. Washington DC laws FORBID owning a 30 round magazine.

By having it in his posession, he committed a felony.
Again, gun laws of any country are so confusing, complex and convoluted that a normal person can never imagine to own a gun.

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Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:10 pm

Apparently the shooter did not use a semi auto 'assault rifle'.

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Post by xl_target » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:18 am

Thanks Winnie, This is contrary to what the media has been reporting so far.
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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by timmy » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:05 am

Piers Morgan is a very undesirable character. I told my Scottish friend that the UK should take him back -- we don't want him. My friend thought that we should then keep Donald Trump out of Scotland. Perhaps we can send both on a lengthy trip to the International Space Station, where they can listen to each other and the rest of the world will be rid of them.
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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by shooter » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:15 pm

Re: Morgan - u guys bought him; you guys keep him. We got enough bunny loving tree hugging socialist cookie cutter hypocrite liberals sans liberty.
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Re: Mommentum regarding ban on assault rifles

Post by Hammerhead » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:40 pm

MILLER: D.C. police won’t arrest David Gregory

Emily Miller ...... Washington Times


Washington’s Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) has concluded its investigation into NBC anchor David Gregory without an arrest.

Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier’s spokesman Gwendolyn Crump emailed Wednesday morning: “Emily, MPD has completed the investigation into this matter, and the case has been presented to the OAG for a determination of the prosecutorial merit of the case.”

I've asked Ms. Crump several follow-up questions about the case, including why Mr. Gregory was not interviewed and why a search warrant was not issued for the subject's home and office.

Ted Gest, the spokesman for the District’s Office of the Attorney General (OAG), told the decision whether or not to prosecute Mr. Gregory will come "possibly this week."

Richard Gardiner, a firearms attorney, said that MPD referring the case to the OAG without arrest is not unexpected. “This is not unusual for high-profile cases. The police investigate the facts and give the results to the prosecutor to decide whether to bring charges,” he explained.

He added that, “It’s also routine in cases like this where the crime was not committed in police officers’ presence.” If the OAG decides to prosecute, a warrant for Mr. Gregory’s arrest will be requested.

I asked Mr. Gardiner if it was normal that the police would not interview the subject, Mr. Gregory, as part of their investigation. “I’m not surprised at all they didn't interview him,” he said. “The police usually only interview people who are not sophisticated and wealthy because the police figure they don’t have counsel and so don’t know that they can say, ‘no.’”

The police chief has led a inquiry for three and a half weeks into whether the “Meet the Press” anchor broke the firearms law on Dec. 23 when when he held up a 30-round rifle magazine on his D.C.-based show. Magazines over 10 rounds are considered “high capacity” by the District and banned. NBC called MPD in advance of the show for permission to break the law and was refused.

While Mr. Gregory got away without being arrested or going to jail, the police arrested 105 other people in 2012 on charges that included possession of “high capacity” feeding devices.

One of those cases was James Brinkley, an Army Veteran and federal employee, who was handcuffed, arrested and jailed for possessing two so-called high-capacity magazines and an unregistered firearm. The OAG refused to drop the charges, despite overwhelming evidence that he was legally transporting through Washington.

Mr. Brinkley refused to accept a guilty plea and went to the expense of taking the matter to court. At trial at D.C. Superior Court, Mr. Brinkley said of OAG’s Assistant Attorney General Rachel Bohlen: “I thought I was going to lose because the prosecutor was so rough. She was coming at me like I’d shot somebody.” Magistrate Judge Elizabeth Carroll Wingo acquitted Mr. Brinkley of all the charges.

So while the rich and powerful NBC anchor knowingly broke the firearm law, he was never subjected to the humiliation of being arrested by the police for breaking the same law as ordinary, law-abiding citizens like Mr. Brinkley did last year.

Justice can only prevail if the prosecutor's office at least offers Mr. Gregory a deal to plead guilty, pay a fine and be put on the Gun Offenders’ Registry, like so many others who have been caught up in the city’s inane firearms laws.

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