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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby pandian1948 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:39 pm

Dear Shooter

Most of the hand guns are made for self protection including .32 revolvers/Pistols of I O F.
So do not try to fire continuously.
If you wish to shoot continuously, please buy a target model sporting gun.
You could break the gun and damage yourself.

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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby msbabbar » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:50 pm

what use is a gun which u cant fire.majoritty of people here in india worship their weapons once at diwali, fire a single shot or at the most two then keep the weapon in a safe where it lies for another one year till diwali comes again and the same thing keep on going for a lifetime.in fact instead of the gun protecting the individual the individual protects the gun by keeping it locked in the safest nook of his home.nowhere on the instruction manual it is written that the gun should fire only limited number of shots in a lifetime.
guns r meant to be fired and if iof cant make some really good weapons then whats the difference between the crude KATA and and rev made by iof.
i would rather go a step further to say that a good made desi KATA is any time better than a rev made by iof.atleast the maker ensures you that it is made of best quality steel i.e the steel of a railway track.
i m sorry if i have hurt the INDIAN sentiments but this is the truth.
:stupid: to say such things on a forum like this



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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby cottage cheese » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:57 pm

mmspandian wrote:Dear Shooter

Most of the hand guns are made for self protection including .32 revolvers/Pistols of I O F.
So do not try to fire continuously.
If you wish to shoot continuously, please buy a target model sporting gun.
You could break the gun and damage yourself.

Pandian
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Not pointing this at you Pandian, but what a situation we have in India... to have to resort to advice as you have given.

How screwed up our country truly is.

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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby The Doc » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:19 pm

peterdk wrote:which metal is these guns made of ?

http://ofbindia.nic.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/3.htm
High grade of alloy steel with heat treatment achieve durability

Not that it answers your query but that is the hog wash fed to the common law abiding licensee.

mmspandian wrote:Most of the hand guns are made for self protection including .32 revolvers/Pistols of I O F.
So do not try to fire continuously.
If you wish to shoot continuously, please buy a target model sporting gun.
Pandian,
Pandian Armoury, Chennai

Is that the advice that you offer to your customers who buy the IOF handguns from you or do you exclusively deal in pre-owned target firearms ?
You could break the gun and damage yourself.

Wow, that is rather convenient for one's assailant !!

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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby msbabbar » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:23 pm

nothing can be done until the general public gets involved and raise our voice as one.
who will be the anna hazare in this case.
it now seems as if we are beating a dead horse :deadhorse:



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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby hks2056 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:30 pm

EN 9 Is mild alloy steel. No weapon manufacturer in the world except IOF uses it in the handgun. Being soft it is very easy to machine. All American manufacturers use EN 18 grade alloy steel for handguns. Which is heat treated to Rockwell hardness of 40-60 depending on the manufacturer. S&W uses EN 21 grade alloy steel for its large frame revolvers which is even harder to machine.Almost everything in IOF revolver is outsourced.The proverbial story of government supplies is well known to everyone.You can never expect EN 9 to make good revolver metal no matter what heat treatment is used.EN9 is used only by private 12 bore gun manufacturers in India.In guns mild metal is needed in contradistinction to hard metal needed for a handgun or rifle. Buying a IOF revolver is like buying a cup of woes unless the well considered intention and resolve is to fire it only two dozen times or so in the life time.



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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby winnie_the_pooh » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:44 pm

mmspandian wrote:Dear Shooter

Most of the hand guns are made for self protection including .32 revolvers/Pistols of I O F.
So do not try to fire continuously.
If you wish to shoot continuously, please buy a target model sporting gun.
You could break the gun and damage yourself.

Pandian
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That is funny.


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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby peterdk » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:04 am

:agree: sad but funny as hell ROTFL

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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby goodboy_mentor » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:27 am

nothing can be done until the general public gets involved and raise our voice as one.
NAGRI has already taken the step in this regard. Rao Inderjit Singh(MP) has already spoken out for RKBA in Lok Sabha(viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9030&start=0). NAGRI has already collected a number of MPs and took them to meet the Prime Minister(viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10710). NAGRI has already met the Rajya Sabha Home Committee(viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13185&start=0). NAGRI is thinking of approaching court. But before this all that is requested at the moment from everyone is to get as many forms filled as possible so that there is a sizable number(viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13445&start=15). If each one of us put in our best effort surely we can do this.
who will be the anna hazare in this case.
Anna Hazare is Anna Hazare because of support of people(the numbers). Let us try to get as many forms filled. It is question of numbers. If each one of us resolves to do this, we can surely do this.
Most of the hand guns are made for self protection including .32 revolvers/Pistols of I O F. So do not try to fire continuously.
Dear mmspandian, with all the due respects for a learned advocate, I did not expect such an answer from you. The firearm is not a magic wand that mere possession of the same will do the job of self protection. The firearm owner needs to practice regularly to to keep his shooting skills good enough so that he can place the shot at the desired location whenever he is faced with situation to exercise his right of private defense as allowed by Sections 96 to 106 IPC.
You could break the gun and damage yourself.
If it is a fact that the guns made by IOF are so fragile then are they worthy to be relied upon to defend ones own life? :shock:


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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby alfaromeo17 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:29 am

It is in best interest to have the gun checked by an able gunsmith... so that the actual problem can be rectified and an accident can be averted. My sincere advice would be to take it to a armourer or gunsmith and test fire under his guidance at a range... tc

Most probably as all have said this weapon, due to usage needs overhauling.
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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby TwoRivers » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:17 am

Sometimes it gets difficult to make heads or tails out of a situation described, given the foreign language, and especially lack of knowledge as far as proper gun terminology is concerned. However, The "90 degrees" when firing, and the difference in performance whether the barrel is horizontal or vertical, and cartridges moving back and forth in the chamber, gives a good clue. The revolver has excessive headspace. The gap between the rear of the cylinder and the breech face is too large. When shooting into the air, the cartridges rest on the breech face, and are pushed up by the firing pin against the cylinder. This cushions the pin blow, causing misfires. With the gun horizontal, i.e. not shooting the sky, the cartridge rim is either already in contact with the cylinder, or much less energy is required to push it into contact. Leaving enough force to set off the primer.
As Peter suggested, it may be possible to install a spacer at the front of the cylinder to bring it back and reduce headspace. This, however, will increase the barrel/cylinder gap and will increase a tendency to "spit". I doubt that a stretched frame is the cause. As to it changing color, paint doesn't require much heat to change color. You cannot hold a pistol long enough for firing to get it hot enough to anneal the steel.



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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby winnie_the_pooh » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:57 am

Tworivers,

In some of the IOF revolvers a chamber and and the cut for the cartridge rims is sometimes cut oversize.The result is that the cartridge is free to move in that chamber.This,as you point out,cushions the impact of the firing pin leading to misfires.If the gentleman was to number the chambers of the cylinder he will find that it is same chambers in which he has misfires over and over again


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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby The Doc » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:04 am

winnie_the_pooh wrote:In some of the IOF revolvers a chamber and and the cut for the cartridge rims is sometimes cut oversize.The result is that the cartridge is free to move in that chamber.This,as you point out,cushions the impact of the firing pin leading to misfires.If the gentleman was to number the chambers of the cylinder he will find that it is same chambers in which he has misfires over and over again

So the remedy lies in replacing the cylinder and praying the new cylinder has properly cut out chambers ?

Rp.


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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby msbabbar » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:20 pm

i'll post pics today and try to number the chambers.lets see what happens.the cushioning part i was not able to explain properly but i meant the same.
what about the empty shells getting struck. :?:



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Re: problem with .32 iof rev

Postby bobbysidhu » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:27 pm

Mr Babbar,
There is nothing seriously wrong with your revolver or something that can't be corrected, your revolver is having excessive headspace, mistimed mechanism ,and poor chambers. These can easily be resolved by some component replacement and remachining the entire revolver.Nothing really wrong with MOC.(Material of Construction)

I think you guys have really blown it out of proportion here, let me put some light on the fact that on the average SIX out of every TEN revs from SAF and FGK that we receive for jobwork have similar problems and not to forget that the newer models have even more problems to its credit than the older one, replacing the firing pin never solved the problem of misfiring on these revolvers however it aggravated to the extent that now these revolvers are very difficult to fire due to a very tough mainspring and poor fitting .

These revolvers have some good features also, the newer models have a modified S&W mechanism incorporated in the belly, and due to this they are hard to bring to time because of hybrid action, but once done they simply outperform WEBLEYS,ERMA'S,Arminius and similar other crap revolvers running around in our country!

Furthermore,do not forget that most of the So called firearm manufacturers are using the same grade of materials as IOF, its just that they are misleading people by saying Forged steel construction!As far as the indian market is concerened IOF is still the best than the rest of the junkies in the private sector.

Most of the US and European manufacturers are making firearms from investment cast parts the way IOF is doing here. STURM RUGER one of the renowned US manufacturer is the First to have adopted this technique in making firearm and components from Investment casting and they just brought it to the level that IC parts are now being used for most of the firearm components worldwide.

Regards
Bobby








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