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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by penpusher » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:56 pm

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Yes you can and sorry.

As far as scopes go,a fixed power 3x or 4x works for me.A 4x or there about was considered good enough for sniping purposes at one time.Love the ones with a smaller objective lens.

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by fantumfan2003 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:13 pm

penpusher";p="65425 wrote:
As far as scopes go, a fixed power 3x or 4x works for me.A 4x or there about was considered good enough for sniping purposes at one time.Love the ones with a smaller objective lens.
Penpusher your comment almost added to my confusion.

My own observation is, 4x for me is inadequate for what I shoot. 10mtr rifle target at 30 to 45 yards. I just can't know where my shots are going with a 4x. Which leaves me wondering may be the 24x, 32x and 50x have a place (and at what a price !)
I will try my new bushnell 5-15x40 (not on my Diana 35 though) to see what works for me.

The 3-9x is finally answered. Its a combination of usability, popularity, manufacturing cost and selling cost. The target market is hunters hunting at 100 to 200 yards.

I am also inclined to believe the high power scope frenzy is a need/want, percieved or real (Field Target, not HFT), exploited by maufacturers to make money by selling big (and expensive) glass. I cant be wrong or else why would the USMC use a 10x32 Unetrl on the M24 SWS for close to two decades. Their replacement is a not so ho hum S&B 3-12x50.

http://www.schmidtbender.com/marines.htm

Closer home, the NSG uses a 6x on the PSG1 for close to two decades and the Indain Army Dragunovs use a similar power scope.

So I guess I'll chill out with my quest for higher magnification. The next scope will be a max 15x scope with mil-dot, AO and target turrets (curiosity again).

Manish

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by ai » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:57 pm

penpusher";p="65425 wrote:
As far as scopes go, a fixed power 3x or 4x works for me.A 4x or there about was considered good enough for sniping purposes at one time.Love the ones with a smaller objective lens.
Penpusher your comment almost added to my confusion.


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Manish, What else do you expect. We have only one of him so half the wit, but double the confusion!

Back to handing you your thread- the Dragunov India has have only 4X scope- the PSO1. Of course, I can arrange one for you if you like at the price others concerned approve. It is a great scope in terms of clarity and reticle- NATO type rangefinder and Chevron aiming points. Minus point is that when we zero it, the reticle moves off center on the image. Later versions of the scope come in 8X. Mounting is designed to go on the side of the (Dragunov) rifle, but that can be circumvented.

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by fantumfan2003 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:39 pm

ai,

Don't need a scope at the moment but will consider if one comes along that has what I want.

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penpusher";p="65425 wrote:Ai,

If you choose to be dumb,that is your problem.
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penpusher";p="65425 wrote:
As far as scopes go, a fixed power 3x or 4x works for me.A 4x or there about was considered good enough for sniping purposes at one time.Love the ones with a smaller objective lens.
Penpusher your comment almost added to my confusion.

Manish, What else do you expect. We have only one of him so half the wit, but double the confusion!

Back to handing you your thread- the Dragunov India has have only 4X scope- the PSO1. Of course, I can arrange one for you if you like at the price others concerned approve. It is a great scope in terms of clarity and reticle- NATO type rangefinder and Chevron aiming points. Minus point is that when we zero it, the reticle moves off center on the image. Later versions of the scope come in 8X. Mounting is designed to go on the side of the (Dragunov) rifle, but that can be circumvented.

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by penpusher » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:09 pm

Manish,

If your objective is to shoot pea sized targets or nano sized groups off a bench or rest ,get the highest magnification that you can afford.High magnification has a down size when shooting off hand.If it so easy getting a scope as Ai suggests,why not buy it direct from abroad and get it at 1/4th the price?

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by penpusher » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:30 pm

Ai,

I am sure there are many people who would be happy reading about how easy it is to import a rifle scope.Thanks.

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by fantumfan2003 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:46 pm

penpusher";p="65445 wrote: why not buy it direct from abroad and get it at 1/4th the price?
Coz I don't have anyone traveling down to carry it for me.

Let me tell you, I got a decent deal on the Bushnell 5-15x40 (no I did'ny buy it from ai). This scope has got fantastic reviews. It goes for between US $ 180 to US $ 200 brand new and cant be imported by post or courier as far as I deduced here at IFG.

I got a well cared for specimen (it did have something broken but I am assured its nothing to worry about) for about US $ 270. did I pay a premium ? You bet I did. But mind you its shock proof, nitrogen filled and will last for very long if I use it on an SSP, MSP or PCP so I judged, it was okay to pay that premium. I was desperate for a high mag scope, too.

I am aware high mag scope are the same as big lenses (300mm and above without IS, VR or OS). Both of them can't be hand held and expected to deliver.

penpusher, much as I agree with you about not paying premium prices, (and I do practice what I am preaching here. I passed up two deals with ai, one was a high mag scope, coz I thought the price was high, although I know why his prices are high ) there is not much I or you can do about it and currently the problem is out of my and your control.

I think you have made your point on the same so please knock it off. Its a request.

Manish.

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by pkjeetesh » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:24 am

:please: ....Fantum...just what are you trying to shoot....

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by hamiclar01 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:07 am

fantumfan2003";p="65428 wrote: My own observation is, 4x for me is inadequate for what I shoot. 10mtr rifle target at 30 to 45 yards. I just can't know where my shots are going with a 4x. Which leaves me wondering may be the 24x, 32x and 50x have a place (and at what a price !)

So I guess I'll chill out with my quest for higher magnification. The next scope will be a max 15x scope with mil-dot, AO and target turrets (curiosity again).

Manish
isn't that a bit of an overkill? if you're only going to shoot 10mter rifle targets at 30-45yards.
even a standard 3-9x40 adds considerably to the weight of the kit, which is going to be even heavier if it's a springer.....assuming you're doing this offhand.

if you want to see where the pellets are going, would it not be lesser (and cheaper) effort to mount a lighter scope, shoot your groups, then walk up the 30 odd yards to see where the holes are? or am i missing something?
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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by pkjeetesh » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:41 am

exactly !...Hamiclar has hit the nail on the head...guys add some thrill to your shooting, and I'd say give 60% to the shooter and 40% to the gun/scope...I had decided to use standard 4x scopes only so that Im just able to see the target at max 80m...believe me its no fun walking up to a 10m target and shooting it at 5m...in my opinion with 24/32x scopes you will be just doing that...correct me if im wrong....I walk up to my target after a 5/8 string shot and observe the holes, then I make my adjustments...for less than 50m ive banned scopes entirely...for the most part you must constantly study what your gun is doing and work on improving your skills...

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by fantumfan2003 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:16 am

Jeetesh, hamiclar,

I was using the 10mtr rifle card to test at 30mtrs. The goal is to have a rig for HFT in which you need to shoot into a one inch kill zone at 45 yds. Most scopes in HFT ar 10x or 12x.

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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by hamiclar01 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:46 am

fantumfan2003";p="65428 wrote: I just can't know where my shots are going with a 4x.
i still don't get you.

if you shoot HFT , you aim for a small black kill zone in a metal target. you wouldn't be able to find out where your misses are going anyway. in fact, with a reasonable objective at low mag, you'll be able to see a wider picture, than at a higher mag. so you might just pick up where your pellets are dropping, compared to a high zoom which sacrifices field of vision

and if you are zeroing at 30 yards, what extra advantage does the X10 offer?
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Re: Whats with 3-9x40

Post by fantumfan2003 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:08 am

As I mentioned, I was just testing with the rifle card.

I am a total newbie with scopes etc. so one way is to find what optics are currently being used.

I do not know enough to answer your questions. Thats why I asked what was with this particular range (3-9) on scopes.

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hamiclar01";p="65476 wrote:
fantumfan2003";p="65428 wrote: I just can't know where my shots are going with a 4x.
i still don't get you.

if you shoot HFT , you aim for a small black kill zone in a metal target. you wouldn't be able to find out where your misses are going anyway. in fact, with a reasonable objective at low mag, you'll be able to see a wider picture, than at a higher mag. so you might just pick up where your pellets are dropping, compared to a high zoom which sacrifices field of vision

and if you are zeroing at 30 yards, what extra advantage does the X10 offer?

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Post by ai » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:12 pm

Manish,

Also bear in mind that with heavier scopes, likelihood of breakage on springers will increase. A lighter (small magnification) scope will move with the gun, and a heavier scopes greater inertia of rest will make it tend to resist moving with recoil. The highest magnification reliable scope I know of that is airgun rated is Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X.

As a thumb rule, one should go for the lowest magnification that will suffice.

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Post by fantumfan2003 » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:20 am

ai

Thanks, you had mentioned that earlier. My new Bushnell wont go on a springer.

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ai";p="65488 wrote:Manish,

Also bear in mind that with heavier scopes, likelihood of breakage on springers will increase. A lighter (small magnification) scope will move with the gun, and a heavier scopes greater inertia of rest will make it tend to resist moving with recoil. The highest magnification reliable scope I know of that is airgun rated is Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X.

As a thumb rule, one should go for the lowest magnification that will suffice.

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