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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby Moin. » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:52 am

goodboy_mentor wrote:Which is the most effective edged weapon for self defense or home defense? Please share your opinions with proper reasoning.

In my opinion, Katar(push dagger) is the most effective edged weapon for self defense, close combat or home defense because of the following reasons -

1. Going by the laws of physics, it can give the most powerful blow into your target, because the pointed edge is fully aligned with the direction of your forearm delivering the thrust(push).

2. You can use it in the shortest possible time. Just pull it out and instinctively punch it in the target. No need to waste your time swinging your arm around to gather momentum to give a slicing blow like with knife or a Khukri or short Kirpan. Think of a boxer giving a quick surprise blow to his opponent. The attack with a Katar will be something similar.

3. If required, you can also give powerful slicing blows or movements

4. It can be reasonably concealed

What is the second preferred edged weapon? It is Gandasa. Mentioned the reasons in the post represented by this link - viewtopic.php?t=23931#p236966 For those who do not know what is Gandasa or how does it look like, it's images are given in the posts represented by these links https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... 68#p221999 and https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... 68#p222053




Unless ones a trained boxer or martial artist a punchs not that instinctive in a fight I would think. Risk of fracture. A Katara not that easily available off the shelf gbm. A large and light blade perhaps which is not to cumbersome to yield effectively. Something like a machete, an "agricultural tool", large enough to maintain some distance, light enough to weild effectively and easily available too.

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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby spyplayingcard » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:16 am

You didn’t mention a spear. A very basic and effective edged tool. Mine are made from lawnmower blades or leaf springs, and use handles that are sold for rakes and shovels. Even a long handled spade shovel can be cut down to a point and sharpened to be a very effective spear.



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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby khullaa.saand » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:39 pm

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I agree. Most people think they need tactical tanto style or big khukris for self defence but to be honest most people nowadays hardly workout or go to martial arts classes required to use the weapon. The best way for such people is to carry a pen knife, ice pick, stiletto, screwdriver etc type of object that can achieve speed and maneuverability with ease. The idea is to defend from attacker not kill or hack the attacker to pieces. Although if a person has both power and skills then even a single punch at a particular point can cause it's attacker's death in mere seconds.



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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby khullaa.saand » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:46 pm

spyplayingcard wrote:You didn’t mention a spear. A very basic and effective edged tool. Mine are made from lawnmower blades or leaf springs, and use handles that are sold for rakes and shovels. Even a long handled spade shovel can be cut down to a point and sharpened to be a very effective spear.


Spear can neither be taken everywhere with yourself nor used inside most homes. However, it is a very very good choice for self defense in open space inside property. Sort of wave controller type weapon and keeps the attacker at a distance too.



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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby RamMani » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:19 pm

Moin. wrote:
goodboy_mentor wrote:Which is the most effective edged weapon for self defense or home defense? Please share your opinions with proper reasoning.

In my opinion, Katar(push dagger) is the most effective edged weapon for self defense, close combat or home defense because of the following reasons -

1. Going by the laws of physics, it can give the most powerful blow into your target, because the pointed edge is fully aligned with the direction of your forearm delivering the thrust(push).

2. You can use it in the shortest possible time. Just pull it out and instinctively punch it in the target. No need to waste your time swinging your arm around to gather momentum to give a slicing blow like with knife or a Khukri or short Kirpan. Think of a boxer giving a quick surprise blow to his opponent. The attack with a Katar will be something similar.

3. If required, you can also give powerful slicing blows or movements

4. It can be reasonably concealed

What is the second preferred edged weapon? It is Gandasa. Mentioned the reasons in the post represented by this link - viewtopic.php?t=23931#p236966 For those who do not know what is Gandasa or how does it look like, it's images are given in the posts represented by these links https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... 68#p221999 and https://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopi ... 68#p222053




Unless ones a trained boxer or martial artist a punchs not that instinctive in a fight I would think. Risk of fracture. A Katara not that easily available off the shelf gbm. A large and light blade perhaps which is not to cumbersome to yield effectively. Something like a machete, an "agricultural tool", large enough to maintain some distance, light enough to weild effectively and easily available too.

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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby goodboy_mentor » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:49 am

kshitij wrote:Never said it is unworthy, but the topic of discussion is "most effective edged weapon for self defense". The fact that a weapon can be held/wielded in only one way seems like a major limiting factor.
Yes it can be held in only one direction for a good reason. The reason is the laws of physics for penetrating the target. But it can also be wielded in multiple directions.

You can rapidly punch and pull it out to make multiple punches or hit another target.

You can punch and slice towards left or right or up or down to increase the damage.

You can also make only slicing movements if needed.

Since it was designed to punch through chainmail armor, it should also be able easily punch through a bullet proof vest.

Direction of the grip is such that it cannot slip through your hands even if they get a bit loose or are oily or slippery for some reason. On the other hand the handle/ hilt of most knives or similar weapons is such that if your grip gets loosened for some reason or hands are oily or slippery, chances of the handle/ hilt of knife or similar weapon slipping out from your hands are pretty high.

Earlier you had mentioned that if attacked from behind, you cannot use it backwards. If you curl your wrist a bit backwards, you can also hit backwards. But anyways when attacked from behind by someone who knows his job, the odds of escape or survival are pretty bleak(unless you are alert enough to escape a possible attack from behind before it is launched). Why? because he would simply hit the medula oblangata(located somewhere the lower hind part of skull and neck vertebrae join) very hard with a club like weapon and then smash or slice spinal cord, arteries in neck etc. Yes it is pretty nauseatingly grim and disgusting stuff but that is what the cold blooded killers do.


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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby kshitij » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:22 pm

Still not convinced about the Katar. Personally, I would rather go with any of conventional handled weapons mentioned in this thread before going for the Katar :roll:


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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby goodboy_mentor » Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:55 pm

kshitij wrote:Still not convinced about the Katar. Personally, I would rather go with any of conventional handled weapons mentioned in this thread before going for the Katar :roll:
Of course certainly agree on this. Personal preference, comfort levels with the weapon in question as well ready commercial availability of the required weapon play an important part.


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Re: Most effective edged weapon for self defense

Postby sumanngon » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:42 pm

I would prefer a pair of double edged karambit...but then I have martial arts background too. In a close combat fight it's not often the technique, but the aggression and speed you show seea you through an winning outcome. Technical fight moves are best kept for martial art practice.




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