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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by kragiesardar » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:08 am

Toyota copied the Willys in its original land cruiser series. The FJ40 is a legend on trails like the Rubicon in the US. My rebuild is below:

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It is the most capable 4X4 I have driven.
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The two-door Toyota FJ40 originated as the Model BJ and was renamed in 1954 as the Land Cruiser when it went from a built-to-order vehicle to mass production. The FJ40 began arriving on U.S. shores in 1958, but official production for export to North America began in 1960. It was Toyota's top-selling vehicle from 1961 to 1965. There were minimal body style changes throughout its 25-year production run. All FJ40s came as a soft-top, but a removable hardtop was available. Toyota designed the FJ40 with easily removed doors and a fold-down windshield. The FJ40's siblings were the FJ45 and FJ55. The FJ45 was a short- or long-bed pickup. The FJ55 was a four-door version of the FJ40.


Read more: History of the Toyota FJ-40 | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8266281_histor ... z1eaBjVaRh

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:19 am

[quote="Katana"]Moin,

The MGE season is almost over, with just 2 planned in Jaipur and Dehra Dun in the coming month. You ought to try the Shahpur meet, close to Pune next year. The Lonavla one is the Alfa Kilo Challenge held in July each year is for hard core and extreme off roaders. I missed this years affair due to work issues. Will try to be their next year. Meanwhile, next on the calender is the Maruti Suzuki Desert Storm Rally which culminates in the Rann of Kutch (very difficult to navigate). This is a true TSD (Time Speed Distance) rally and will take place in Jan-Feb 2012.

Oh, so that's the famous AKC !. What is the EXAMM. Read a lot about AKC and teh EXAMM at TEam BHP threads on 4X4.

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:22 am

timmy wrote:
would love to get a WW2 era jeep, possibly a a Willys MB or a Ford GPW.
I can share a few experiences regarding jeeps.

I owned a 1942 Willys MB. A previous owner (one of many) swapped in the F head 134 in place of the flathead 134 originally installed, along with a T90 BW transmission in place of the stock T84. To allow hood clearance for the F head under the low hood (bonnet, in UK parlance), the owner had made a metal scoop to clear the carburetor and air cleaner, which was the offending high assembly.

I tried driving some CJ2s, and found that the F head definitely had more power than the flathead 134. However, both of these engines are very old-fashioned, with heavy rods and a heavy crank. It takes an act of Congress to get the either of them to rev up, compared to a modern engine.

The military jeeps were the only ones to have a full floating rear axle here in the USA. After the War, jeeps downgraded to semi-floating rear axles. The nice thing about military full floating rear axles is that the rear hubs are identical to the hubs on the front axle, bearings and all. This allows for good wartime logistics, but it is also a boon to jeep operators. Remember that jeeps were not intended for long service lives. They were expendable, cheap war vehicles. Very little money was put into the metallurgy of jeeps. Axles were/are notorious for breakage on these old jeeps, and a full floating rear axle means you can still drive the thing when a rear axle shaft snaps.

Speaking of metallurgy, the frames and springs of old jeeps were also very prone to breakage and cracking when put under long service. Another joy of jeep ownership!

Then there is the Ross steering gear. I will admit, they are easy to repair, as I did rebuild mine. However, they are prone to quick wear, and they are reversible: one can break a thumb when hitting a rock with the front wheel, unless one learns to hold the wheel with just fingers and NOT wrap the thumbs around the wheel rim. A quick jolt on the front wheels can cause the steering wheel spokes to snap a carelessly wrapped thumb in an instant. Many folks here in the USA convert to later GM recirculating ball steering boxes for this reason.

I also owned a 1966 Wagoneer. As far as climbing goes, it would climb any hill that my jeep would. Of course, it was much wider, so it didn't negotiate narrow jeep trails as well, nor would it turn as tight of a corner. But it would climb just as well as my jeep. I recall one time, when going to get some wood that I'd left up a hill side (we heated with wood only in those days, I proved the climbing ability of the jeep. Earlier, I had driven a borrowed 3/4 ton Chevy 4x4 up a slash cut road to the top of a mountain to get some wood. I had to chain up all 4 to make it through the snow. Several weeks later, I went up the same road with my Wagoneer, no chains, and with less trouble. It would definitely climb.

It had the Rambler 327 cu in V8 engine (not the same as the Chevy 327! This one was derived from the Packard design V8 of 1955.) The engine was great, as it had loads and loads of low end torque and would pull like a mule. The transmission was the Borg Warner T89, a tough gear box that shifted quite well.

Like earlier jeeps, however, the bodywork was not very good. The front drive shaft was also a weak point.

Up until the early 60s, jeep pickups and utility wagons used the 226 cu in flathead 6 made by Continental. This was the same 6 used in the Kaiser automobiles. In my youth, I rebuilt many of these engines, as they were commonly used in lift trucks as an industrial engine. To be blunt, they are a poor automotive engine. They were intended to be cheap, but durable motors, however in automotive use, where constant speed changes were necessary, they didn't hold up well at all. Furthermore, they had problems with head gaskets. I always took my time installing the heads to them with care, but I did have to make a number of service calls on motors others had built. These are motors to steer clear of!

My Dad was in charge of the battalion motor pool during the second half of WW2. He knew quite a bit about jeeps because of this, and his expertise was very helpful to me. Since his unit made amphibious landings in North Africa, a bunch in Sicily, two in Italy (Salerno and Anzio) and one in France, Dad was pretty up on how to prepare a jeep for this duty, by extending the air intake up the windshield post and the exhaust, as well. They packed the outside of the distributor and spark plug wires with putty.

Dad's fellows were a bit different from the normal GIs, who went through captured towns looking for wine cellars. His guys looked for machine shops. They were mostly Hispanic guys from Southern California who had raced midgets before the war. Once, Dad said they found a machine shop that was bombed out with an intact planer, and they got a bunch of guys to turn the flat belt pulley while they planed the head of Dad's personal jeep. It only ran on AV gas or captured German AV fuel. Dad said that it would twist the speedometer past the 270º of 0 to 60 mph and back around to 20 mph, at which point, it couldn't be kept on the road. He had a lot of respect for jeeps. When he left his occupation duty in Salzburg Austria for the preparation to invade Japan, one of his guys was swapping a German Ford V8 into his jeep.

So, that's my stories about jeeps.
Thank you for sharing Timmy, made for some very intersting reading.

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:24 am

kragiesardar wrote:Toyota copied the Willys in its original land cruiser series. The FJ40 is a legend on trails like the Rubicon in the US. My rebuild is below:

It is the most capable 4X4 I have driven.
Backstory

The two-door Toyota FJ40 originated as the Model BJ and was renamed in 1954 as the Land Cruiser when it went from a built-to-order vehicle to mass production. The FJ40 began arriving on U.S. shores in 1958, but official production for export to North America began in 1960. It was Toyota's top-selling vehicle from 1961 to 1965. There were minimal body style changes throughout its 25-year production run. All FJ40s came as a soft-top, but a removable hardtop was available. Toyota designed the FJ40 with easily removed doors and a fold-down windshield. The FJ40's siblings were the FJ45 and FJ55. The FJ45 was a short- or long-bed pickup. The FJ55 was a four-door version of the FJ40.


Read more: History of the Toyota FJ-40 | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8266281_histor ... z1eaBjVaRh
A 3.9 40 4.2 Litre Engine :shock: 125 horsepower and 209 foot-pounds of torque, some very impressive specifications !!

If feasable please do share some pics of the engine bay. You mentioned it is a rebuild, please do share some restoration pics if available.

She sure is a beauty. Some very knowledgeble members on the subject and as always I'm feeling out of place. :mrgreen:

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by grewal » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:35 am

Well I could not resist myself posting here. So here is something which will be liked by all. And mint it " This is entirely made/rebuilt in a small town in Punjab called Dubwali." Here every one is making Jeeps only.
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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:33 pm

grewal wrote:Well I could not resist myself posting here. So here is something which will be liked by all. And mint it " This is entirely made/rebuilt in a small town in Punjab called Dubwali." Here every one is making Jeeps only.
is this your drive :D Thank you sharing the pic, what a pimped up vehicle :shock:

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by kragiesardar » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:17 am

Moin. wrote:
kragiesardar wrote:Toyota copied the Willys in its original land cruiser series. The FJ40 is a legend on trails like the Rubicon in the US. My rebuild is below:

It is the most capable 4X4 I have driven.
Backstory

The two-door Toyota FJ40 originated as the Model BJ and was renamed in 1954 as the Land Cruiser when it went from a built-to-order vehicle to mass production. The FJ40 began arriving on U.S. shores in 1958, but official production for export to North America began in 1960. It was Toyota's top-selling vehicle from 1961 to 1965. There were minimal body style changes throughout its 25-year production run. All FJ40s came as a soft-top, but a removable hardtop was available. Toyota designed the FJ40 with easily removed doors and a fold-down windshield. The FJ40's siblings were the FJ45 and FJ55. The FJ45 was a short- or long-bed pickup. The FJ55 was a four-door version of the FJ40.


Read more: History of the Toyota FJ-40 | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8266281_histor ... z1eaBjVaRh
A 3.9 40 4.2 Litre Engine :shock: 125 horsepower and 209 foot-pounds of torque, some very impressive specifications !!

If feasable please do share some pics of the engine bay. You mentioned it is a rebuild, please do share some restoration pics if available.

She sure is a beauty. Some very knowledgeble members on the subject and as always I'm feeling out of place. :mrgreen:

Regards
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Before Restoration, it is a early 1970's vehicle:

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Engine bay post restoration:

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by kragiesardar » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:27 am

My Hunting Rig: Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 - Hot shower that works off the cooling system, an Engel Fridge, Recharging Torch, dual battery, winch 12 K pounds, high lift jack, fishing and hunting gear. CB radio.
Chronology

In 1941 the Imperial Japanese Army occupied the Philippines, where they found an old Bantam Mk II, and promptly brought it to Japan. The Japanese military authorities commanded Toyota to make a similar vehicle but to not model the appearance on the American Jeep. The prototype was called the Model AK and was formally adopted by The Japanese Imperial Army as the Yon-Shiki Kogata Kamotsu-Sha ( 四式小型貨物車 type 4 compact cargo-truck ).

Later in 1941 the Japanese government asked Toyota to produce a light truck for the Japan military campaign. Toyota developed a 0.5 t prototype called the AK10 in 1942. The AK10 was built using reverse-engineering from the Bantam GP. There are no known surviving photographs of the AK10. The only known pictorial representations are some rough sketches. The truck featured an upright front grille, flat front wheel arches that angled down and back like the FJ40, headlights mounted above the wheel arches on either side of the radiator and a folding windshield.

The AK10 used the 2259 mL, 4-cylinder Type C engine from the Toyota Model AE sedan with a three-speed manual transmission and two-speed transfer gearbox connected to it. There is no mechanical relationship between the AK10 and the postwar Toyota "Jeep" BJ. Most of the AK10's were not actively used (unlike the U.S. Jeep) and there are almost no photographs of it in the battlefield.

FJ60 Series:
The Land Cruiser 60 series was produced from 1980 through 1990. It is a front engine, four door wagon which can seat five to eight[citation needed] people. Like all Land Cruisers generations, it is well known in the off-roading community for its off-road capabilities but was somewhat limited by its poor departure angle.[citation needed] The 60 series was offered in the following solid exterior colors: Alpine White, Brown, Desert Beige, Freeborn Red, Royal Blue; and in the following metallic exterior colors: Charcoal Gray, Cognac, Gray-Blue, Rootbeer, Sky Blue, Stardust Silver.

1980 - The 60 series was introduced. While still retaining the rugged off-road characteristics of previous Land Cruisers, the 60 was designed to better compete in the emerging sport utility vehicle market. The 60 was given a variety of comforts like air conditioning, a rear heater and an upgraded interior. The FJ60's "2F" petrol engine was left unchanged from the "40" series while six-cylinder 4.0 L 2H and four-cylinder 3.4 L 3B diesel engines were added to the product line.
1981 - Land Cruiser sales surpassed 1 million and a high-roof version was introduced. The 60 series was introduced to South Africa when a stock Land Cruiser competed in the Toyota 1000 km Desert Race in the punishing wilds of Botswana.
1984 - This was the final year for the 40 series. Specialist suppliers of aftermarket parts and restorers who return old FJ40s to better-than-new condition replaced Toyota dealers as the main source of Land Cruiser expertise.
1984 - Alongside the 60 series, the 70 series was introduced.
1985 - The Direct-injection 12H-T and 13B-T turbodiesel engines were introduced.
1988 - The petrol engine was upgraded to a 4.0 L 3F-E EFI engine. The FJ62G VX-Series was introduced allowing the Land Cruiser to be sold in Japan as a passenger vehicle.

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Post by Bruno22 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:11 am

I had an FJ 80 or better known as the 80 series Land-cruiser. It was a petrol 4.5L and immensely powerful but heavy on the pocket. Your Toyota is awesome. Well looked after and built for anything thrown at it. Enjoy your ride and drive safe.
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Post by kragiesardar » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:38 pm

Bruno22 wrote:I had an FJ 80 or better known as the 80 series Land-cruiser. It was a petrol 4.5L and immensely powerful but heavy on the pocket. Your Toyota is awesome. Well looked after and built for anything thrown at it. Enjoy your ride and drive safe.
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Have had a couple of the FJ80's. The best off all the Landcruiser designs, probably one of the most capable 4X4 large SUV's worldwide. Mine chewed through terrain that a GMC and a Land Rover Defender chocked on.

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Post by Bruno22 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:55 pm

Yes your quite right. Mine was a 1994 GLX or base version. I loved the twin split tailgate that offered you an impromptu bench or table or in our case worked as a good surface to change the baby too! We often referred to it as our one bedroom apartment due to the limitless space available.
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Post by Moin. » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:40 pm

Wonderful vehicles there Kragiesardar, these huge engines must be real fuel guzzlers, but then these are not your daily drives.

Do snorkels really help in preventing water going in the air intake (I see you have one in the FJ60), what about the exhaust, is that raised too ? Without getting in too much nitty gritty's what other precautions are taken to protect the ignition system in petrol engine (applicable here for a gypsy) and for Diesel Engines while water crossing. What other modifications are done to the vehicle to water proof it to a certain extent.

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Post by kragiesardar » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:56 am

Moin. wrote:Wonderful vehicles there Kragiesardar, these huge engines must be real fuel guzzlers, but then these are not your daily drives.

Do snorkels really help in preventing water going in the air intake (I see you have one in the FJ60), what about the exhaust, is that raised too ? Without getting in too much nitty gritty's what other precautions are taken to protect the ignition system in petrol engine (applicable here for a gypsy) and for Diesel Engines while water crossing. What other modifications are done to the vehicle to water proof it to a certain extent.

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look up this site, I used it on building both my rigs. if you do a search by water proof you will find lots of good info such as : http://forum.ih8mud.com/camping-outdoor ... e-box.html

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:30 pm

kragiesardar wrote:
Moin. wrote:Wonderful vehicles there Kragiesardar, these huge engines must be real fuel guzzlers, but then these are not your daily drives.

Do snorkels really help in preventing water going in the air intake (I see you have one in the FJ60), what about the exhaust, is that raised too ? Without getting in too much nitty gritty's what other precautions are taken to protect the ignition system in petrol engine (applicable here for a gypsy) and for Diesel Engines while water crossing. What other modifications are done to the vehicle to water proof it to a certain extent.

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look up this site, I used it on building both my rigs. if you do a search by water proof you will find lots of good info such as : http://forum.ih8mud.com/camping-outdoor ... e-box.html
Thank You Kragiesardar.

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Re: JEEP LOVERS AND OTR THREAD

Post by Moin. » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:44 pm

Still itching to get behind the wheel of a good 4WD Jeep. After speaking to a lot of knowledgeble people purchasing a Thar makes more sense than an old jeep considering time, technical expertise, continuous maintenence requirement and finally an unreliable vehicle. Have read somwhere Thar V2 being launched next year with a possible decrease in the price of existing Di and CRDE models.

But what the heck, might as well check out what's available in the market.Got the time today to check out an old Jeep in Reay Raod in Mumbai. 1998 model MM550DP, 2WD, single owner, done about 50K KMS, but in very poor condition.Asking price INR 92,000/-

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