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Re: Falconry In India

Postby ngrewal » Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:18 am

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Nice recap do post some more information

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Re: Falconry In India

Postby dr.jayakumar » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:29 pm

this is one field i never had an idea about.but thanks ngrewal for this thread to enlighten us.
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Re: Falconry In India

Postby ribaalber » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:10 am

mohd_adeel wrote:Ngrewal,

Brother me and Shahid Bhai are always in touch. We do converse regulalry discussing the ways by which Falconry can be made legal in India.
Shahid Bhai owns a pair of Peregrine Falcon and Laggar Falocn
Falconry is very near to my heart. The joy of seeing a peregrine dive or goshawk's rapid attack in bushes cannot be explained in words.

I would like to provide some information to all members
Peregrine, merlin, Red-headed, Saker and all hawks come under Schedule 1 of wildlife act 1972 which means caught up with 1 = Imprisonmnet upto 3 years or 25,000 /- fine or both.
So problem is with keeping the bird however the wildlife act does mention anything about Falconry and if a person can own the bird legally then it can be used to hunt blue rock pigeons, crows since only these 2 birds are declared as "Vermin" by India Wildlife Act.

Keeping Raptors requires care and expertise, else they are bound to die. I have seen several dying to negligence, bumblefoot, dieases etc.

There is a hope for falconry lovers in India. Very recently UNESCO has added falconry in its heritage list: http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index ... 1&RL=00442 .... This has given us hope to represent ourselves in front of goverment and then there is lot of other things..... A book can b written .. for time being this much is sufficient :-)


Any update on this? Has this even moved.. I know it takes time in India. But I just want to know if this has had any positive impacts to falconry so far


PS: The Schedule V of the Wildlife Act doesn't mention Blue Rock Pigeons as a Vermin. I hope it was there, but...
Please let me know if it is otherwise...


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Re: Falconry In India

Postby hathubha » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:12 pm

I am working on a documentary film on the remnants of the falconers, who were brought to Bhavnagar for the training of birds, hounds and Cheetahs, for the royal family. Much has been published about them by the famed Craighead brothers and the National Geographic. They are currently involved in a successful raptor rehabilitation program that is privately run in Bhavnagar, and have worked with Cinerous Vultures, Peregrines, Bonelli's, Kestrels and over 50 other raptors. Their hereditary expertise in handling of the birds, understanding of their habits and food intake and overall knowledge of the birds of prey is astounding.

I would invite any expert opinions or relevant information if scholarly advice is available. Any related groups of such hereditary Baaz Dhaaris would be of crucial value.



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Re: Falconry In India

Postby hathubha » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:59 pm

I think a similar group of falconers turned conservators exists in Dasada on the edges of the Rann of Kutch and a couple places in Rajasthan. And BTW, I am in possession of multiple very rare falconry videos from the Bhavnagar family that were kindly shared with my by Bapa. I have permission to use excerpts from these in my documentary.



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Re: Falconry In India

Postby arundiablo2 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:17 am

I believe the license which 'Falco_nish' referring to should be 'Certificate of Ownership'. As per the Wildlife protection Act one can process any Wild life by obtaining Certificate of Ownership from the 'Chief Wild Life Warden' of the state/district/union territory Under section 40 (Mentioned in 42).

If Warded provides this certificate, any Indian citizen can process an Wild life. You have to obtain another certificate (Trapping License) to capture one, where as if obtained legally (Never mentioned which means is legal), you may apply for Ownership certificate.

Let me know If any one has any further comments.



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Re: Falconry In India

Postby brihacharan » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:35 pm

I remember reading a long time ago about Middle East Royals coming down to Rajasthan with their Falcons to hunt the Great Indian Bustard.

I have seen various types of Falcons at the Jurang park in Singapore - The trainer swings raw meat tethered to a long string which he rotates & the falcons swoop down to grab them. Its a paid show for the bird park visitors.
Briha



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Re: Falconry In India

Postby Gary Timbrell » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:32 pm

I am Gary Timbrell, Secretary of the International Association for Falconry and Conservation of Birds of Prey http://www.iaf.org . I chanced upon this fascinating thread today by Googling the words "Indian falconry". I realize the last post on this topic was some time ago, so I hope you do not mind me reviving it, since it does include messages from several falconers and a quotation from my own 2005 article on the history of world falconry, which is now somewhat out of date since we have discovered many more pockets of authentic falconers in the world than we ever expected to.

IAF is an Accredited Advisory NGO to the UNESCO Intangible Heritage Committee and one of our obligations is to ensure falconry does not expire as a cultural heritage. We have always found making contact with falconers in India very difficult since many of them feel they cannot have a public face due to the laws under which they are obliged to live. We feel that this tragic thing, the final death of a millenia old cultural heritage, may be about to happen in India unless her falconers can unite in some way, communicate and engage with regional, state and federal government to change the laws. This can be done in many ways and IAF has experience of several, for example our status as an accredited member of IUCN and our CITES accreditation shows governments that falconers are also conservationists (IAF is simply a federation of falconry clubs from over different 60 countries). This accreditation has enabled falconers is Australia to convince government to allow falconry techniques for rehabilitation of injured wild raptors. Similarly in South America governments have been convinced to allow falconry because other governments e.g., France, Germany, Slovakia, even award their national falconry clubs status as bona fide wildlife conservation organizations.

I would be very happy to communicate with any falconer by email timbrell(at)iaf(dot)org or by PM if they prefer and would plea with users of this forum to help by putting anyone who wishes in contact with IAF. We really have to do something to stop the decline of falconry in one of its main cradles at the very moment when falconry is flourishing in almost ever other country where it is practiced and we need to take advantage of the UNESCO recognition that so many worked so hard on.



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Re: Falconry In India

Postby supermisb » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:39 pm

That is fantastic news Gary ! The Australian episode is music to the ears.
I am very much willing to volunteer the cause in India. In-fact I had my head out, looking for groups/individuals who have/willing to put their efforts in this cause.

I rehabilitated a wounded Kite 6 months back and have been wondering about how this sport got lost. It was a black shouldered Kite. The forest department was just indifferent. I wanted to hand them the kite, but they made the process complicated !! They actually have no interest in conserving the birds whatsoever. A falconer would have obliged ! I however nursed him back to health and gave him to a rescue activist. My interest in falconry goes beyond and deeper than the rehabilitation event. I happen to be a connoisseur of Urdu poetry, especially those poems which highlight the shaheen or Iqaab[falcon] as an inspirational creature.

i see 3-4 people here have already knocked on some doors, I say let's converge the efforts.
Let's take this up.

I am working on some proposals that might interest the authorities. Let's have some discussions. You can reach me by email supermisb[at]gmail[dot]com
Adeel bhai we need to get together regarding this. Also Shahid Sir might be needed as well. Falconish, kindly oblige.

After all my favorite poem says

"Fiza e Mukhalif se na darr ae Iqaab//
Yeh to chalti hai tujhe ooncha udhane ke liye"

"Do not fear the winds of opposition o Falcon//
They blow only so that you soar higher !"



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Re: Falconry In India

Postby Rydersnip44 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:19 pm

I am Gary Timbrell, Secretary of the International Association for Falconry and Conservation of Birds of Prey http://www.iaf.org . I chanced upon this fascinating thread today by Googling the words "Indian falconry". I realize the last post on this topic was some time ago, so I hope you do not mind me reviving it, since it does include messages from several falconers and a quotation from my own 2005 article on the history of world falconry, which is now somewhat out of date since we have discovered many more pockets of authentic falconers in the world than we ever expected to.

IAF is an Accredited Advisory NGO to the UNESCO Intangible Heritage Committee and one of our obligations is to ensure falconry does not expire as a cultural heritage. We have always found making contact with falconers in India very difficult since many of them feel they cannot have a public face due to the laws under which they are obliged to live. We feel that this tragic thing, the final death of a millenia old cultural heritage, may be about to happen in India unless her falconers can unite in some way, communicate and engage with regional, state and federal government to change the laws. This can be done in many ways and IAF has experience of several, for example our status as an accredited member of IUCN and our CITES accreditation shows governments that falconers are also conservationists (IAF is simply a federation of falconry clubs from over different 60 countries). This accreditation has enabled falconers is Australia to convince government to allow falconry techniques for rehabilitation of injured wild raptors. Similarly in South America governments have been convinced to allow falconry because other governments e.g., France, Germany, Slovakia, even award their national falconry clubs status as bona fide wildlife conservation organizations.

I would be very happy to communicate with any falconer by email timbrell(at)iaf(dot)org or by PM if they prefer and would plea with users of this forum to help by putting anyone who wishes in contact with IAF. We really have to do something to stop the decline of falconry in one of its main cradles at the very moment when falconry is flourishing in almost ever other country where it is practiced and we need to take advantage of the UNESCO recognition that so many worked so hard on.


Thats a great news sir i have already tried to contact few people who are trying to make it legal here

That is fantastic news Gary ! The Australian episode is music to the ears.
I am very much willing to volunteer the cause in India. In-fact I had my head out, looking for groups/individuals who have/willing to put their efforts in this cause.

I rehabilitated a wounded Kite 6 months back and have been wondering about how this sport got lost. It was a black shouldered Kite. The forest department was just indifferent. I wanted to hand them the kite, but they made the process complicated !! They actually have no interest in conserving the birds whatsoever. A falconer would have obliged ! I however nursed him back to health and gave him to a rescue activist. My interest in falconry goes beyond and deeper than the rehabilitation event. I happen to be a connoisseur of Urdu poetry, especially those poems which highlight the shaheen or Iqaab[falcon] as an inspirational creature.

i see 3-4 people here have already knocked on some doors, I say let's converge the efforts.
Let's take this up.

I am working on some proposals that might interest the authorities. Let's have some discussions. You can reach me by email supermisb[at]gmail[dot]com
Adeel bhai we need to get together regarding this. Also Shahid Sir might be needed as well. Falconish, kindly oblige.


Supermisb would like to contact you




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