The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

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The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by mundaire » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:05 am

From Warrior Talk News, I dedicate this article is to all those who believe that they can bluff their way out of dangerous situations; especially those who intend to back up their bluff with make believe firearms like air-pistols, blank firers, starter pistols, air-softs, replicas etc. This of course does not mean that those who think they can bring into play firearms to cow down their assailants are being any smarter! PLEASE READ and make an informed choice, it could save your life!

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The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

By Roger Phillips, Suarez International Specialist and Tier One Instructor

A serious look at making the open carry operator as squared away as they can possible be.

I know there are people out there that believe that I am "anti-open carry". This is not really the truth of the matter. What I am is "anti-ignorance" and I admit that I am very hard core in this belief. For those that know and train with me, they know why I am like that. They know that I really care about their ability to be the very best they can be when it comes down to the ability to defend their lives and the lives of their loved ones. To me, this is the paramount reason that we carry and any other reason pales in comparison.

I do not carry for a political agenda, or because it is my right, or because I want to be a hero, or because I want the mere presence of the gun to stop a crime, or because of the coolness factor, or to educate people, or the stir up awareness. I carry for one reason and one reason only.

I carry to be the very best that I can be inside of a life threatening encounter involving myself or my loved ones!

Everyone can feel free to call that "one way" or "self centred" but the reality of the matter is that "me and mine" are more important than everyone else. That does not mean that I will not risk my life help innocent people, heck I've done it before on a few occasions. What it does mean is that I want to have the choice whether I get involved or not. Open carry cuts down on my options.

Any attack on me is an attack on my loved ones. I am the one that keeps them in good neighbourhoods. I am the one that keeps them in good schools, I am the one that keeps them from hanging out with the wrong people, I am the one that keeps them away from drugs, alcohol, crime, teenage pregnancies, and especially the violence that comes out of those issues. I am the one that instils "the three stupid rule" into them. You will be amazed how living with "the three stupid rule" as a guide will cut down on your violent encounters.

Do not go stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things.

The importance of a solid parental figure inside of the home can be the difference between life and death for the children inside of that home. That has been my reality! I lost my older sister at 28 years old due to the life style that we had led as children and young adults. Living outside of "the three stupid rule" as we did, for over thirteen years, cost her her life. She made decisions at thirteen years old that were not survivable. I spent thirteen years of my life protecting her and my family from the extremely violent world that she brought into our lives. Never underestimate the value of a strong parental figure inside of the home. As the parent, no matter how important that you think that you are, you are much more important than that. You can be the difference between your children living or dying.... and that is a fact!

IMHO, as a parent or future parent, you should have one mission that overrides all other missions. That mission is to go home and take care of your family. I do not need to be a hero, I do not need to push a political agenda, I do not need to educate anyone about their rights. All I need to do is go home and make sure that my family has everything that I can give them, to give them the ability to acquire the very best life that they can have. I did not fight my way out of the gutter to have my children need to do the very same thing.

This is why I am so vocal on the issue of being the very best that you can be inside of a life threatening encounter. This is why I risk being seen as an "anti-open carry" guy, even though I am not. All I want is for people to get the best information so that they can make the best choices for themselves and their love ones. All I care about is you fulfilling your paramount mission.

Now that people have some insight on "why I do what I do" how about we look at the things that will allow you to be the very best that you can be while open carrying.

The Gun is not a Talisman that wards off Evil

I think it is time for us all to agree, without having to call for links to prove it, the mere presence of a gun may stop a crime from ever being committed. On the flip side we need to agree that the presence of the gun may also be the catalyst of the crime that is committed. Yes, there are plenty of cases that show that people were targeted for their guns.... in their homes and on their person. This is all well documented and backed by common sense. Once we understand this, it becomes very clear that carrying a gun (open or concealed) comes with certain responsibilities. If the gun is a deterrent, not having the teeth to use it efficiently effectively is like bluffing while playing poker. If you carry (open or concealed) you need to know how to use it efficiently and effectively. You do not want to bluff while holding one ace! If I am concealed, I never have anyone "call" my bluff because I am not bluffing. But if I am open carrying I am always in the position to be "called". This means that if you decide to open carry you may need a higher skill level than those that carry concealed. Since the gun is visible, you may be in the position where you are more likely forced to use it.

With concealed carry I have more of an option to get involved or to not get involved. Since no one knows that I am carrying, I will be less likely to have my hand forced. I can make the rational decisions, on what to do based on "my mission". I can watch the confrontation unfold and make the decision "when" or even "if" I go on the offensive. This is what people are talking about when they talk about "the tactical advantage". This is all about the manipulation of the OODA loop, understanding "initiative" and the huge problems inside of "initiative deficit". Once again this leads us to the point that open carry individuals may need a higher skill level and tactical understanding than those that carry concealed.

Simply put, action beats reaction! So many gun people do not understand this fact. Until you experience this first-hand you will not understand just how far behind you are most likely going to be. Open carry requires that you have your situational awareness tuned to a higher level, your "line in the sand" drawn clearer, your ability to work through the OODA loop quicker, and that your skill sets inside of the reactive gunfight at a higher level. You may be quicker getting your gun into play (depending on your mode of carry) due to not having a concealment garment, but that may not be even close to being good enough.

If the open carry gun deters the crime from ever taking place……great! But this is something that you cannot rely on. Crimes can also be deterred just by the way you carry yourself and how you handle yourself. There is one stat that will never be sure of, how many times is a crime deterred because of an open carry gun, compared to how many crimes are deterred due to being deselected due to the way you handle yourself and how you carry yourself.

You may want to consider getting some information about the streets. There are certain neighbourhoods in Las Vegas where open carry may be seen as a sign of disrespect to the criminal organization that controls those neighbourhoods. I know we all want to "go where ever I want to go". But, is it really smart to fly the one finger salute in the most dangerous neighbourhoods in Vegas, to the most dangerous people in Vegas. Going to those areas cover the "going stupid places" which makes you "the stupid person, doing the stupid thing". Open carry requires a little more discretion than concealed carry. Information about the streets can be had if you know where to look.
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by timmy » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:52 am

An excellent article and set of thoughts, Abhijeet. These points simply cannot be stressed hard enough or often enough. As my Grandmother used to say, "A word to the wise is sufficient."
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by timmy » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:24 am

In connection with the point Abhijeet is making, I've often thought of this story from the book "Copper Camp," a narrative history of a Montana mining town:
A former newsboy tells of an incident that happened on a summer morning in 1907. He and two other kids were on their way uptown to sell the morning editions. They took a short cut through an alley behind a saloon and music hall on the edge of the red-light district.

Suddenly the youths heard a groan coming from the darkness of the alley. They were frightened, but their youthful curiosity got the best of them and they investigated. In the shadows they saw the faint outline of a human form. They lit a match, and there stretched out in the alley was a big rawboned cowboy, boots and all. From his groans they knew he was alive, but they could see that somebody had given him a terrific beating. His face was smashed to a bloody pulp.

The cowboy's trousers had been pulled down over his shoes, and protruding from the lower mid-portion of his anatomy was the handle of one of the biggest guns either of the youngsters had ever seen.

Frightened, the two lads hurried from the alley in search of a policeman. At the first corner they ran into big Jim Larkin, captain of detectives. They told their story and he accompanied them to the scene. After looking things over, the detective hurried to a patrol box and called the police wagon. On its arrival, as he and the driver lifted the cowboy, gun and all, into the wagon, Larkin turned to the driver:

"Well, sir," he remarked, "I've often heard of a gun toter being threatened that way, but this is the first time I've ever seen the threat actually carried out."
Perhaps the cowboy of this story was lucky. There are some people for who the gun is not a "magic talisman," and heaven help the poor soul who runs into such while trying to bluff his way out of trouble with a toy.
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by Happy » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:05 am

Very True, I myself detest from open carry.
its like giving an invitation to the wrong kind of guys to do something wrong.
Its for my personal safety and I like to keep it concealed.
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by dr.jayakumar » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:47 pm

very good advise.
.Do not go stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things.
obsolutely true.

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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by marksman » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:51 pm

The "OODA LOOP" theory works better for me when the carry gun is hidden out of sight.
O: Observe
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by captrakshitsharma » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:51 am

Concealed carry is the smarter option in my opinion. Its the element of surprise that will work to your advantage if threatened by a criminal or encountering a violent situation.This also means you have the option of judiciously draw and bring the weapon into the conflict .If one is open carrying the element and option is already presented and the person who is displaying any signs of violence against you will either be more violent or if armed (which he most probably is)is more likely to use his weapon against you. Golden rule is not to draw / bring out/ reveal a weapon unless you are absolutely sure you have to shoot the person. An open carry gun makes it look like to the aggressor that the gun will be used and his aggression and strategy against you is likely to be more aggressive. I know of a relative who was in a situation where he was going to be waylaid. He was carrying a licensed revolver and thought he will scare away the looters. He was unsure of using it and shooting them so he lowered his window and displayed it and shot in the air skywards. The next instance the looters shot him with a country made 12 gauge pistol. He survived but still has a few pellets lodged in his body. The lesson being ; Don't bring a fire arm to a situation if it is not needed , If you feel the need to draw it be prepared to properly use it .In his situation he only escalated the violence and he was shot at as he displayed a higher level of threat to the robbers. His other mistake was to not be confident and have enough conviction to use the weapon the way it should be. Some food for thought......
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by nagarifle » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:24 am

when it comes to violence of any kind one needs to know the limit of violence- that is, how far are you willing to go?

because everything you do will depend on that.
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by xl_target » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:54 am

Good Article.
I know a lot of people who carry here but I have never seen their carry firearms, except at the range. I personally do not open carry but I have nothing against anyone who does.

That being said, one of my friends moved to Montana where her husband worked a cattle operation. From photos that I have seen, they all open carried. So what is looked down on in an urban situation, is perfectly acceptable in some rural areas. On the other hand, when visiting urban parts of Tennessee, I saw numerous people open carrying and no one paid any attention.

Also as Captraksitsharma points out, if you draw your weapon, you'd better be willing to use it. If you're not willing to use it, it is better not to carry at all. Brandishing it as a "talisman to ward off evil" is stupid and could be downright fatal.
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by ckkalyan » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:23 am

Thought provoking article Abhijeet - thanks for sharing! This is indeed Seasoned Warrior Talk - I particularly liked: The Three Stupid Rule to cut down on violent encounters - Do not go stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things.

Brings back to mind when I was in Bangalore, with my two younger brothers; all in our early to mid twenties - all our young hormones on full power. All of us being budding martial artists, I used to be be somewhat envious of my brothers when they frequently, came back at night with cut lips, black eyes and the occasional broken bone, regaling me with their (mis)adventures. There was also many a time when I was woken up beyond the 2 - 3 am time line, to rush to their aid to defuse - one hairy situation or another.

The question that always haunted me was why them - why not me? 'When will I have an opportunity to try out my skills in a real life situation?' I guess, I now have the answer - 'stupid' - and it is right on the spot, substantiating my personal experience!

I am happy to say that I have had to face only a very few violent situations in my half a century here on this planet! As Bruce Lee says in 'Enter The Dragon' on the boat scene on the way to the island of Han that, his style of fighting is the art of fighting without fighting :D

Thanks once again. :cheers:
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by dr.jayakumar » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:46 pm

ckkalyan wrote:Thought provoking article Abhijeet - thanks for sharing! This is indeed Seasoned Warrior Talk - I particularly liked: The Three Stupid Rule to cut down on violent encounters - Do not go stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things.

Brings back to mind when I was in Bangalore, with my two younger brothers; all in our early to mid twenties - all our young hormones on full power. All of us being budding martial artists, I used to be be somewhat envious of my brothers when they frequently, came back at night with cut lips, black eyes and the occasional broken bone, regaling me with their (mis)adventures. There was also many a time when I was woken up beyond the 2 - 3 am time line, to rush to their aid to defuse - one hairy situation or another.

The question that always haunted me was why them - why not me? 'When will I have an opportunity to try out my skills in a real life situation?' I guess, I now have the answer - 'stupid' - and it is right on the spot, substantiating my personal experience!

I am happy to say that I have had to face only a very few violent situations in my half a century here on this planet! As Bruce Lee says in 'Enter The Dragon' on the boat scene on the way to the island of Han that, his style of fighting is the art of fighting without fighting :D

Thanks once again. :cheers:
what a coincidence i was in banglore for most of my education.
had very similiar experiance during early eighties.
i always admired this dialogue'' art of fighting without fighting''

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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by rajveer » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:28 pm

Great article very enlighting Abhijeet Sir thanks alot,

I have a hand gun license and always prefer to carry conceal. The reason being its almost everyday that I carry my weapon (concealed) and I have to concentrate on lot of other thing than always caring for my weapon, which when open carry will attract everyone's attention.

But a new trend that I am witnessing for sometime. Some times when I visit some Malls and even Cinema Theater and if the security find out I am carrying a weapon (This happens only once in fifty times) there is a huge Tamasha and even after showing them license some time they just refuse to give entry. Then the whole family try to come after me saying I am wrong. Its not that I am the only one who has a gun in my family collectively there are 15 licenced weapon in my family. And there is reasons for me to alert all the time. I think what is the use of the gun when u dont have it when u need it. Since I feel that it won't my home and my office where I will need my gun , a place when I am relaxed and my most attention will be on family and kid.
When in Mumbai it is not a big issue for me since I am from Mumbai and some how manage the situation.

But to my shock, when I visited Delhi six months back at the entrance of a mall in Saket I was treated like a terrorist trying to get in with 100kg of TNT. I showed them my license, travel permit duely endorsed by the local Delhi police but it was of no avail. Yes it can be said that the security guards will not have that much knowledge and the are just trying to save their skin just like their bosses.

But my question here is can we carry (conceal) our legitemate weapon to these kind of places. If the argument here is going to be about public place, then during that visit to Delhi I carried my weapon some 15 times while travelling in Delhi Metro. Everytime before the security check I disclossed the CRPF that I have a weapon on myself . They politely asked me to enter the details in a register that they maintain and allowed me to travel.

Whether similar practice will be followed if on my next I wish to visit Red Fort, Kutumb Minar and places like that, It is a type of compulsion for me to carry my hand gun during visits to other places as mostly they are business travel involving Money .

Hoping for some insights about these issues.
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Post by rajveer » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:11 am

I hope some of learned friends will answer.
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by captrakshitsharma » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:18 pm

I feel your pain but any private business establishment has the right to entry reserved and can have their own in house rules. Its like if u want me to leave my shoes outside your house and wont let me enter with them on i can't argue. Manu sharma has also not helped with this situation
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Re: The "Do's" and "Don'ts" of Open Carry Part I

Post by vinay singh » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:00 pm

you are absolutely right rakshit.diff establishment have different in house rules for accepting guests

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