Indians For Guns

True, but I don't think it should even be a debate. One size does not fit all in this case. Everyone has a specific need, and everyone (well, almost everyone) has limitations on what is available and affordable. What can be done is to point out what one knows and what works for one's self. Then the reader must assess the information and decide the best course of action in their own case.

timmy its always a pleasure to read your posts.

100% with you.

I would prefer to use my shotgun than any handgun just because i am more confident and posess reasonable skill with it (i hope).

One must use what one is comfortable and confident with.

Also people with anti semi-auto thoughts please note that many police forces who face self defence situations in day to day life use pistols as standard issue.

Shoulder fired weapons are best for self defense. In India if one has only 12 gauge then it is best used with slugs or spherical ball. It will stop any BG in the tracks instantaneously. If one has 30-06 then any soft nosed cartridge would do the job as they cause maximum immediate trauma. Revolvers and pistols are good only if one can aim for upper torso region between the breast nipples and above.

Double action pistol is far better than revolver..

Revolvers are revolvers but in a long combat surely man with revolver will get defeated..

Shoulder fired weapons are best for self defense.

I find this statement factually incorrect. Nowhere on wikipedia does it say this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense

Best think for self defense is good ammo with pistol or revolver which ever makes you feel confident.

-- Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:02 pm --

Guys read this its quite informative

http://world.guns.ru/handguns-e.html

what I thought is that to say for sure, what is better, we may need to look at some statistical data, probably such data even does not exist. But for example there a lot of data, on police officers, who been killed in gun fights. In many cases those who been killed did have a chance to fire their guns. So, in such case it is irrelevant what kind of gun they been caring, revolver or pistol.

Defense mean survival, to survive in gun fight, most important imo do not get into situation in which you can be definitely killed. For example shots in adjacent room, you opened door and show up in the door way ... or same, shots on the street, you opened windows to take a look what is going on outside. There is number of never do rules, knowing it and following it, may be imperative for survival. IF you get under fire, another important question, what to do? If you already gone through such scenarios and prepared to act, in most optimal way, your survival chances much greater, because your mental process shorter: recognize pattern and act accordingly. For those who may interested I would recommend to read a book Street Survival - tactics for armed encounters, by special agent Ronald J. Adams. This book contains a lot of real life examples.

Another thing is, that we may actually do not realizing in what degree our vision and expectations regarding shooting incidents formed by movies. Any times Americans going to war, starting from Vietnam, each time they are complaining about their weapons, - we cant kill any body, this round can only wound. well 20000-30000 rounds been fired in Vietnam for 1 kill, compare to 1.3-1.6 shots by sniper. Recently US army pilots decides to change from 9mm Beretta to .45, such change will cost 80mil usd to US taxpayers. Movies forming a lot of unrealistic expectation on what can be achieved. According to movies best defense may be to run in the middles with guns in both hands and shot in all directions.

Still, it is possible accurately shot with gun in each hand, but for that you have to lock thumbs and keep you hands close together. One gun can be revolver another pistol.

captrakshitsharma wrote:This debate can never end

shooter wrote:

Shoulder fired weapons are best for self defense.

I find this statement factually incorrect. Nowhere on wikipedia does it say this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense

On Wikipedia it can say anything. Does not have to be factual or true. Though it may be.
Anything about self-defense is opinion and generalities, since situations are never exactly the same, nor are the players. Too many variables.

Here is complete answer to self defense weapons for those with patience to read the entire article
http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ball ... nding.html

HKS 2056
Aha, the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel?

I also remember:
"Everything on the internet is not the truth"
Abraham Lincoln

" Never trust a woman who wears black satin underwear"
My grandfather

Any luck on the fibreglass wallah ?

eljefe wrote:HKS 2056
Aha, the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel?

I also remember:
"Everything on the internet is not the truth"
Abraham Lincoln

" Never trust a woman who wears black satin underwear"
My grandfather

Any luck on the fibreglass wallah ?

nice

but why fiberglass wallah, forgive my ignorance

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Revolvers!
Thanks
tiger Lee

TwoRivers wrote:

shooter wrote:

Shoulder fired weapons are best for self defense.

I find this statement factually incorrect. Nowhere on wikipedia does it say this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense

On Wikipedia it can say anything. Does not have to be factual or true. Though it may be.
Anything about self-defense is opinion and generalities, since situations are never exactly the same, nor are the players. Too many variables.

two rivers you have PM

-- 16 Jul 2011, 19:56 --

hks2056 wrote:Here is complete answer to self defense weapons for those with patience to read the entire article
http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ball ... nding.html

So where does it say that shoulder weapons are "best" for self defence?

This is an article on terminal ballistics. Doesnt say what you claim.

So unless you can provide a reference, i will still maintain that your statement is factually incorrect.

Dear shooter
please read the following link

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs7.htm

Note; In a self defense situation the key to survival is immediate incapacitation of the BG. In this well documented episode you can read what havoc the BG were able to wreak on police despite being fatally shot by 9 MM bullets. Read the enactment of the scene as per police records. It will be very interesting for all those votaries of handguns ( as first choice as defense weapon ) to read to find out what Platt and Matix did to police despite taking body hits from police handguns. After you have gone through the above link then you will be able to comprehend fully the ratio-decidendi of earlier link given by me and it should be an eye opener for one and all. I have no quarrel or any argument with those who place less importance on their own survival in a self defense situation by choosing to defend themselves by a hand gun in preference to a shoulder fired weapon.