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To holster or not.

Post by xl_target » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:34 pm

This post is specific to handguns, especially ones that are carried regularly.

Recently, I read an article about a gentleman who accidentally shot himself while trying to unbuckle his seat belt. In this instance, it resulted in his death. Unfortunately, there were three or four children in his vehicle (not sure if they were his children or not) that were exposed to this sad incident. With the typical journalistic standards of today, there is little or no useful information in the article about his mode of carry. All they can tell you is that it is one of those dreaded Glock pistols. Maybe he was pocket carrying without a holster or maybe he just had it stuck in his waistband.
http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/newsdes ... ant-store/

It would be folly to think that this could not happen to you because you always carry in a holster. A holster should be rigid, the leather thick enough to not bend or crease. The trigger guard should be covered. The holster should have adequate retention so the gun does not fall out when running or jumping. When I first started carrying, I thought; "why should I spend the bucks for a custom holster when I can buy one from the store for less"? In my first two weeks of carrying, I almost lost the gun when the new suede holster unclipped itself from my belt and started sliding down my pants leg while I was in the process of grocery shopping. It was a brand name holster made by a company well known for its holsters. After that I bought one of those rigid plastic holsters. It seemed to work OK but it could only be worn outside the waistband (OWB) and it was a pain when I was driving. The gun also rattled around a little in it.

Finally I broke down and contacted a nearby custom holster maker. Please keep in mind that there are big name custom holster makers out there who charge mega-bucks for their products and have long wait times. One of my instructors said that he had an order with one custom maker who had an eighteen month lead time!!! This holster maker who i got in touch with had very reasonable prices and his lead time was seven weeks. I paid $45 for the suede holster that didn't work and $70 for the custom holster made to my specifications. It fit my gun like a glove and had excellent retention. Once the gun was inserted in the holster, I could turn it upside down and shake it and it would not release the gun. Yet, when attached to my side, I could draw the gun with ease. The two things should be mutually exclusive but not in this case. I have since bought several of his holsters and have been very happy with all of them. Some of them are several years old and still look as good as the day that I received them. There are many small holster makers all over the internet who will happily do business with anyone, including overseas clients.

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Rigid holster covering the trigger guard. Look at the thickness of the leather. This is a rigid holster that will stay open even after the gun is removed.

Below is a link to an article that show what can happen with a poor quality holster. Please read this carefully as your life might depend on it.
“What the hell was that?!?” she said. It took me a half a second to realize that my gun had just gone off…on my hip…in its holster. My wife and I had just finished breakfast at our favorite café and got into the car.

Me being the passenger, I rotated my torso to the left to fasten my seatbelt like I always do. When I straightened again, my Glock 19 discharged, blowing a 9mm hole through my pants, underwear, the leather seat and bottom of the car’s door frame.
http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firea ... ischarges/
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Re: To holster or not.

Post by shooterz » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:20 am

Xl-Target,

I live in a CCW State too, having your gun slide down the inside of your pants is disconcerting on so many levels. You have the safety factor, the fact the concealed carry is supposed to be concealed, and stay that way! I have had it happen to one time, fortunately it wasn't out in public. The other thing to watch out for with ill fitting holsters is that the material or position doesn't hit the magazine release. I was CCW my Tokarev for a nice walk locally. When I got home and took the gun out of my holster, I noticed that the mag was sticking out the bottom of the mag well by about an inch. Had I taken it out to defend, the first shot would have dropped it onto the ground. Ever had that happen at the range? You think the mag is locked in and it hits the ground with your first shot. With a fully loaded Glock you really need to make sure it clicks in and locks. I am a fan of all handguns, but my favorite carry guns are my Glocks. I have a model 17,19,20 and 21. The model 20 was my 50th birthday present to my self. At 25 yards offhand with both hands it stays under 3 inches. Great gun. My favorite carry holster is Fobus paddle style. They cover the trigger guard and friction snap the gun in place. They run right about $25. Stay safe, Troy

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Re: To holster or not.

Post by dr.jayakumar » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:31 am

i always felt a double action pistol/revolver is not for conceal carry(my feel)
holsters are a must,you can't be tickled all day long by your weapon.
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Re: To holster or not.

Post by shooterz » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:03 am

Dr. Jayakumar,

I agree that it is nice not having the gun jabbing you all day long. When I first stated carrying, I used inside the pants holsters. I quickly learned that being poked in intimate places is no job for a handgun. My preference now is paddle or belt holster. Belt holster with enough rise so as not to show with a jacket on. Personally I don't have a problem feeling secure with DA revolvers or pistol for that matter. I am a little squemish about 1911 pistols in cock and locked condition. Just as I am with a Glock carried inside the pants holster, especially if it is a cheap holster. Be well. Troy

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Re: To holster or not.

Post by xl_target » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:59 pm

Shooterz and Dr Jaykumar,

I wouldn't dream of carrying a gun without a holster. That is just asking for trouble.
i always felt a double action pistol/revolver is not for conceal carry(my feel)
holsters are a must,you can't be tickled all day long by your weapon.
I like OWB holsters in the winter but in the summer when I wear jeans and a T-shirt, I prefer IWB holsters. I have found that the main requirement for comfortable wear is an actual gun-belt. With a good gun belt, I was surprised how even a heavy pistol can be become comfortable. Another issue for me is that the holster, while being held securely to the belt, must come off easily. For this I prefer holsters that are held to the belt by snaps. This allows me to remove the holster, gun and all, in seconds for entry to the post office or other prohibited place. It also allows me to quickly reposition the holster if I am setting out for a long drive. I normally carry at about the 4:30 position but when driving I prefer the holster at the 3 o'clock position.

The problem with IWB is that you have to buy a pair of pants with an extra inch or two in the waist. If you want to add a mag carrier, you end up adding another inch to the waist line. With the outfit shown below, add at least three, if not four inches to the waistline. This means your belt will also have to be longer. It also means that you most likely won't be wearing the pants if you're not carrying. :)
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I would like to add that with a properly constructed holster and/or mag carriers, you can sometimes forget that you have a gun on. Once my holsters molded to my body, which took about two weeks, I found that they were very comfortable. With this option, I can wear my shirt tucked in or wear an untucked t-shirt.


The other option is to wear the mag carrier outside the waistband (OWB). This mag carrier can be worn both OWB or IWB. As Shootez mentioned there are the plastic paddle holsters (like the Fobus) and mag carriers. I have some of those but I don't wear them too often.
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Here is an OWB holster. This holster has a thumb break. To make any position changes or the remove the holster, I have to unbuckle my belt and then remove the belt from the belt loops. Unless, I am at the range, I try not to handle the bare gun so I prefer the take the gun and holster off as one piece. This is something that I would wear under a jacket; while riding my motorcycle or during the winter.
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Re: To holster or not.

Post by dr.jayakumar » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:01 am

we are owning some antique's for our self defence.and finding the right holster is so difficult.i thought of this http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... ad=rja.but don't know how this will work for mine.
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Post by xl_target » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:16 pm

That might work, Doc but I don't know how long that would last. I would think that it would lose its retention and shape after a while. Keep in mind if you have a button up shirt on it is not going to be easy to get at the gun in a hurry.

I have a suggestion, The guy who makes my holsters also makes holsters for the Beretta 84 (that is what you have, isn't it?). For the same price that they are asking for those concealment vests, you could have a decent leather holster that will last you a lifetime. He has several different styles of IWB and OWB holsters. I really like his stuff.
His website is http://www.sideguardholsters.com. If you email him and ask him, he might ship to India. It's worth a shot.
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Post by ssmickey.32 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:30 pm

dr.jayakumar wrote:we are owning some antique's for our self defence.and finding the right holster is so difficult.i thought of this http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... ad=rja.but don't know how this will work for mine.
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Thanks for posting the link dr. jayakumar. For revolvers, I think it is well suited for 'J' frame S&W with 2" barrel... may be with 3" too. If you want to accomodate the bulky IOF revolver into it.... well... i have my serious doubts.

I have not been able to understand one thing with holster designs... why do the manufacturers provide a velcro that you have to remove when drawing a handgun??? I think the velcro removal sound charrrr.... would be the loudest & the most deafening sound in stressful situations specially if the badguy(s) are around and you want to draw your gun out without anyone noticing. One can be killed or stripped off his handgun because of that sound. Instead, it should be a thumb break button design as i have in my Uncle Mike's ankle holster. UM provides velcro on left and right for length adjustment and thumb break in the middle... that way practically no sound is created when the gun is drawn.
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