Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

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Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by mariner » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:58 pm

Dear Moderators,
please help me put this topic in the right place,as of now iam placing it under handguns.
People all over the world have different views over Dry firing their guns,i wanted to know what our indian brothers feel about it (especially people using our homemade IOF revolvers/pistols).what i personally feel,it has many benifits as
-we get use to the trigger pull,practicing,develop exact aiming skills.
-we can learn basic gun manipulation without spending money on ammunition.
-it helps to prevent development of Flinch ,which in case of real self defence senario would be catastrophic.
But iam curious to know that in achieving all this are we harming our GUNS!!
Is it effective to leave spent shells in the chamber and then dry fire as spent shell absorbs the hit of the firing pin...
can anyone throw some light on Snap Caps,and what are RimFire Revolvers.

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by Amit357 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:24 pm

Mariner get Snap Caps if you are really into dry firing.Dry Fire the IOF 22 Revolver and you will be paying a Gun Smith for a very long time to set it right.As far as the spent case :?: ,the firing cap is already dented by the firing pin,so what purpose is that gonna serve.GET A SET OFF GOOD SNAP CAPS and there will be no harm done to the gun. :D

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by xl_target » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:19 pm

.....what are RimFire Revolvers.
A Rimfire revolver would be any revolver firing .22 LR. There really are no other commercially viable rimfire cartridges left today.
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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by mariner » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:35 am

thankyou mr. amit357,mr.xl target for your reply,can you also tell me where i can get those GOOD SNAP CAPS,are local dealers keeping it.how do they look like,are they really effective.
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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by dr.jayakumar » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:29 pm

this topic needs more pondering.as amit said few revolvers are sensitive to dry firing,especially those that have sharp tips,.wish we had a gunsmith in our forum!

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by Devrishi » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:54 pm

IOF has 'transfer bar safety' mechanism and has firing pin mounted inside & NOT on the hammer. Hence, you can dry fire without any problem. This is one of the advantages of IOF Mark IV. I do not know about Mark III. Any gun with transfer bar safety can be dry fired without any problem.

Guns with firing pin on hammer - avoid if you can. Should you need to do so - get snap caps - it's a better & professional way.

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by grewal » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:26 pm

Devrishi wrote: Any gun with transfer bar safety can be dry fired without any problem.
Wrong.
Devrishi wrote:IOF has 'transfer bar safety' mechanism and has firing pin mounted inside & NOT on the hammer. Hence, you can dry fire without any problem.
This mechanism only ensures that you never get a broken firing pin as is the case with some fixed firing pins . Else it is as harmful to dry-fire an IOF revolver as is with any other firearm.
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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by SYED833 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:10 pm

mark 4 iof revolver?? which factory??

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by indigo_indo » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:12 pm

see the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOF_.32_Revolver

it shows the break open condition and firing pin transfer bar.. you will get a very good detail of it....

in my opinion the mark 1v made by iof are better than old versions which are mere copy of 3 decade old webley revolvers being sold at hefty price..
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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by TwoRivers » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:56 pm

dr.jayakumar wrote:this topic needs more pondering.as amit said few revolvers are sensitive to dry firing,especially those that have sharp tips,.wish we had a gunsmith in our forum!
You do. More than one. Dry firing is bad, period. Unless the firearm is designed to allow dry firing, as some free pistols are. Whether the point of the firing pin is sharp, which it shouldn't be, is immaterial.
How quickly the effects of dry firing become noticeable depends on quite a few factors. Shape of parts, force applied, quality of materials and heat treatment, number of dry firings, design of mechanism,etc. So, effects may show up quickly, or gradually after thousands of dry firings. But why take the chance.
A transfer bar is there to prevent the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled. It is a safety feature, and has nothing to do with dry firing. Regards.

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by james » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:20 am

Devrishi wrote
IOF has 'transfer bar safety' mechanism and has firing pin mounted inside & NOT on the hammer. Hence, you can dry fire without any problem. This is one of the advantages of IOF Mark IV. I do not know about Mark III. Any gun with transfer bar safety can be dry fired without any problem.


Firing pin in revolver as in latest IOF design is dangerous because it is spring loaded and continous dry firing can lead to week spring resulting in firing pin protruding outward permanently inside revolver chamber,BINDING THE ROTATING CHAMBER.
I would rather prefer a revolver with firing pin on hammer.
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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by perfectionist » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:39 pm

Sorry for my ignorance, but could you please let me know "What is dry firing"

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by doctor » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:56 pm

@perfectionist.
dry firing: firing a firearm without ammunition.

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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by Subal das » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:54 pm

dry firing as part training drills used a lot and quite useful as a huge part of training just physical not related exactly with firing real amo. you can use replica or just buy similar CO2 gun and dry fire as much as you want. I would never use for such training real gun, and dry fire only to test it functionality.
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Re: Dry Firing !!! Is it really bad

Post by MoA » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:21 am

Snap caps are cheaper than replacing firing pins.

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