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Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by astroguru » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:33 am

Hi I am Sachin, My procedure of getting lisence is completed and will get the lisence soon. Personally I am buying a Revolver/Pistol for 20% of my personal safety and 80% for my shooting hobby. By profession I am an Astrology consultant so, Obviously I am not familier with this gun and firearm field. Please guide me to buy either Pistol or Revolver? The Estimated Prices? Place near Mumbai? I will be waiting for you response

-- Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:35 am --

also the difference and advantage/disadvantages of Indian and Imported handguns....I am more concern about the prices
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by OverUnderPump » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:57 pm

Hi Sachin,

Welcome to IFG, I would request you to read up the forum rules and post the 'introduction' in the introduction and welcomes section of this forum.

Now getting back to your quandry of purchasing a pistol or a revolver
Please look at this bucket list and choose your poison :wink: :
  • 1.Price aspect(read: Whats your budget ?).
    2.Imported(Expensive, Old, iffy condition) versus Indian Make('Relatively Inexpensive',New,Workable alternative)
    3.Magazine capacity(Higher in a pistol,Lower in a revvie)
    4.Revolver has fewer moving parts, less prone to cycling failures(Debateable but worth mentioning)
    5.Last but not the least "Bling Factor" :twisted:
Thats all I can think of for now.

Pricing is subjective and would depend on the region, dealer, condition of the firearm,availability of ammo etc.
For dealer details, please check the yellow pages section: http://www.indiansforguns.com/viewforum.php?f=41

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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by nagarifle » Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:06 pm

if you are looking for new ones and cheap ones, then the only option is iof.
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by goodboy_mentor » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:40 pm

Yes, if you want the cheapest handgun in Indian market, you will have to choose between IOF .22 revolver, IOF .32 revolver and IOF .32 pistol. IOF .22 revolver being the cheapest priced at around Rs 46,000. Then comes IOF .32 revolver priced around Rs 84,000. Then comes IOF .32 pistol priced around Rs 85,000. For details you can refer to http://ofbindia.nic.in/index.php?wh=Spo ... ms&lang=en Each one of them have their own positive and negative points. You will have to take a decision after evaluating those points. Even if you are "thinking" that you are buying the handgun for only "20%" self defense, under no circumstances the importance of regular target practice can be ignored. Regular practice for accurate shot placement with the above handguns of relatively low stopping power is extremely important.
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by astroguru » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:51 am

Thanks Everyone for the guidelines....My main aim is to get the proper gun with good life/power and obviously should be in my budget. I am totally unaware of the good and bad points either of revolver or pistol. Obviously Pistol is looking slick and nice rather than revolver. So please guide me for

1) Wether to buy a pistol or revolver?

2) If Pistol....than what should be the minimum budget for good quality pistol? ( and maximum too)

3) If Revolver...than what should be the minimum budget for good quality revolver? ( and maximum too)

4) where can I practise for the gun?

.........please
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by vishu20_inin » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:47 am

astroguru wrote: So please guide me for

2) If Pistol....than what should be the minimum budget for good quality pistol? ( and maximum too)

3) If Revolver...than what should be the minimum budget for good quality revolver? ( and maximum too)

.........please
HI Astro
If you buy from IOF then minimum would be
.22 revolver : 46,000
.32 Revolver : 84,000
.32 Pistol : 85,000
waiting could be 6 months to 30 months, depends on bore an product.

Maximum Price (Imported) = Raise to the power n.. :)

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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by goodboy_mentor » Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:47 pm

Obviously Pistol is looking slick and nice rather than revolver.
Firearms are not for decoration and hence not evaluated by their looks but by their reliability and performance. AK 47 is not very good looking but nobody complains about its looks because of its extreme reliability and performance for the intended purpose.
1) Wether to buy a pistol or revolver?
It is a matter of personal preference. I will mention the common positive and negatives of each of them.

Positives of pistol:
1) Slightly higher cartridge capacity than revolvers. Example IOF .32 pistol magazine has 8 cartridge capacity as compared to IOF .32 revolver having 6 cartridge capacity in its cylinder. But IOF .22 revolver has 8 cartridge capacity in its cylinder. Cartridge capacity in pistols can be further increased by using a longer magazine. To get an idea about how pistol magazine looks like you can see the video at http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=11613
2) Since there is no gap between the chamber and barrel, pistols develop slightly higher chamber pressures causing muzzle velocity to be slightly higher than that of a revolver firing similar cartridge.
3) The trigger pull in double action is lighter when compared with revolver.

Negatives of pistol:
1) Misfire of one cartridge does affect the firing of next cartridge. You will have to manually clear the cartridge so that next cartridge from the magazine gets fed. If cartridges are not feeding properly due to various reasons including magazine not properly fitted or working, you may have to refit the magazine into pistol properly or replace the magazine. This can take sometime and is not something good in close self defense situations when your life and death is depending on fractions of seconds.

Positives of revolver:
1) Misfire of one cartridge does not affect the firing of next cartridge. All you have to do is press the trigger again, the next cartridge gets fired. This is something good in close self defense situations when your life and death is depending on fractions of seconds.

Negatives of revolver:
1) Slightly lower cartridge capacity than pistol
2) Since there is a gap between the chamber and barrel, revolver develops slightly lower chamber pressures causing muzzle velocity to be slightly lower than that of a pistol firing similar cartridge.
3) Trigger pull in double action is heavier when compared with pistol
4) If revolver falls on hard surface, it can cause misalignment of cylinder with barrel.
2) If Pistol....than what should be the minimum budget for good quality pistol? ( and maximum too)
Minimum IOF .32 pistol around Rs 85,000 is the cheapest pistol in Indian legal arms market. As usual for IOF products, quality is variable but can be corrected by a good gunsmith. Maximum has no limit or any rational yardstick, since imports of firearms are restricted since 1986.
3) If Revolver...than what should be the minimum budget for good quality revolver? ( and maximum too)
IOF .22 revolver around Rs 46,000 is the cheapest revolver in Indian legal arms market. Similar to IOF products as usual quality is variable. Maximum has no limit or any rational yardstick, since imports of firearms are restricted since 1986.
4) where can I practise for the gun?
In any firing range closest to your residence. If you want to know the specific name and address, you can either search "Shooting Clubs & Associations in India" on the main page of this website. If you are still not able to find, you may PM any of the members near to your place of residence.
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by astroguru » Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:52 am

Many many thanks to you sir...and the most important thing is from where you all people learn the technical issues, words, definations and technology? Anybody here who can teach me the methodology? As we can practise anywhere but how and from where we can learn the theory side of this matter?
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by m24 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:31 am

You read and read and then read some more. Go through the posts in the forum. Search the net for books, you'll find a lot.

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1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by grewal » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:17 am

m24 wrote:You read and read and then read some more. Go through the posts in the forum.
M24 you forgot to mention one more point "
And again you read some more
" :mrgreen:
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by m24 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:21 am

:)
Jeff Cooper advocated four basic rules of gun safety:
1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
4) Identify your target, and what is behind it.

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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by goodboy_mentor » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:08 pm

how and from where we can learn the theory side of this matter?
m24 and grewal have already given you clues. I give one more, type the following without inverted commas "how stuff works guns" in google search, you will get very nice theoretical aspect about working of guns.
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by astroguru » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:19 pm

Thanks a lot for everyone....Dhanyavaad!!!

Please co-operate ahead also this new comer....I am a "bachha" in this field
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by Katana » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:49 pm

Astro,

What if you take out the 'kundli' of your license and the handgun you buy? :wink:
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Re: Want to buy a new pistol/revolver

Post by Subal das » Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:06 pm

you can also buy some old nonfunctional gun just to put it on your license, and then wait for iof pistol for very long time. or for revolver much less time. or search in gun shops for something like Webley revolver, in India you buy what you can get, not always what you like.
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