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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:55 pm
by arjuna
sorry for not posting the link
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _n16034757

thanks abhijeeth
arjuna
arjuna";p="39598 wrote: this was interesting just thought will post for u guys
arjuna

American Handgunner, March-April, 2006 by Gary Paul Johnston

With self-loading pistols fast becoming the rage at the turn of the last century, Colt and Fabrique Nationale were at the forefront. Since both companies used designs patented by John Browning, they initially agreed Colt would concentrate on recoil-operated pistols while FN would make models operating by simple blowback. However, with FN's overwhelming success with the 9mm Browning Long caliber Grand Modele. Colt arranged to have Browning take out a U.S. patent on the pistol in 1902.
The result was a smaller version of the Grand Modele in .32 ACP for which Browning would be paid a royalty of 40 cents each. Called the 1903 Hammerless Pocket Automatic Pistol. or Model "M" by the Colt factory, the gun would be made in a number of variations from that year until 1946 with a total production of more than 572,000 pieces in that initial caliber. Let's look at the breakdown.
Divided by collectors into five issues, the First Issue Model "M" had a 4"-barrel with a removable barrel bushing. Made from 1903 through 1910, this version in .32 ACP had a narrow extractor, black checkered hard rubber grips with a scalloped band with the word "COLT." above a rampant horse and ran from serial number one to 71.999. During this time changes were also made in the patent date (about serial number 10,000) and the cocking serrations (about serial number 30.000).
From 1910 to 1926. beginning with serial number 72.001. he Second Issue Model "M" had a 3.75"-barrel, but was otherwise identical to the First Issue. At serial number 95,801 the extractor was widened to accommodate both the .32 ACP and the new .380 ACP round (detailed below). Beginning with serial number 100,459 the separate barrel bushing was omitted and a few changes were made within the slide and to the recoil spring group. In addition to the bushing change, the Second Issue also saw several grip variations. The version ran to serial number 105.050.
Except for its checkered walnut grips with nickel Colt medallion, the Third Issue Model "M" was identical to the Second Issue. and was made from 1926 to 1945 beginning with serial number 105,051. During production of the Third Issue the Tansley magazine disconnect safety was added with serial number 468,097, creating what most collectors, recognize as the Fourth Issue Model M. This variation ran to serial number 554.000.
As part of the standard commercial Fourth Issue Model "M" is the Military counterpart that ran from serial number 554,001 to 572.214. All of these .32 ACP caliber Military Model "M" pistols are stamped "U.S. Property" on the right side of the frame and have the Ordnance Department "flaming bomb acceptance mark. Initially finished in blue, the Military Model "M" was Parkerized beginning in 1944 at about serial number 562.000.
After World War II a few Military Model "M" .32 ACP caliber pistols were left over with the U.S. Property stamp, but without the Ordnance mark, and a few more were assembled from left-over parts. The latter had polished blue slides with grip straps in matte blue. The last number of the .32 caliber Model "M" pistols is believed to be 572,215.
.380 ACP Model "M"
Not only was the 1903 Pocket Model "M" made in .32 ACP, but also .380 ACP, a cartridge believed to have been conceived especially for it. However, because this variation has its own serial number sequence, it's dealt with separately for the sake of clarity.
Making its debut in 1908, the First Issue .380 Model "M" was made until 1911 from number one to 6,251 when the Second Issue .380 was introduced. This version was made until 1926 from serial number 6,252 to 92,893. The Third Issue .380 ACP Model "M" is the same as the Fourth Issue .32 ACP, and was made through 1945 with the Tansley magazine safety added at serial number 92,894, and running to 133,349.
As with the .32 ACP Fourth Issue Military version, the Third Issue .380 ACP ACP Model "M" was made for the Military and was also stamped U.S. Property, but had a blued finish with serial numbers running from 133,350 to 138,009, some of which were preceded by the letter "M."
Most Collectible
Even more collectible than any of the above versions of the Colt Model "M" are special order pistols, namely those with special grips, or that are engraved; various engravers applied their art to these pistols through the years. Some of the most famous included Gough, Kornbrath and Cuno A. Helfrict.
Model "M" pistols engraved between 1910 and 1913 were listed as having 1/4, 1/2, and 3/4 coverage, while those engraved from 1913 to 1929 were described as grade one, grade two and grade three coverage. From 1929 through 1941 the grades were changed to "A" through "C."
Factory records indicate that of the early Model "M" .32 ACP pistols, 50 were engraved with 1/2 coverage and only three were given 3/4 coverage. The pistol illustrated is in the number 135,322, having been made in 1912, and is one of the three early Model "M" .32 ACPs engraved with 3/4 coverage. This includes the top, back and front of the gun. This outstanding example of Colt factory engraving is believed to have been done by Cuno A. Helfrict. The grips are Colt mother of pearl with the Colt medallion, indicating the pistol did not leave the factory until 1913, the first year medallions were used.

Re: Colt U.S. Property

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:15 pm
by penpusher
9mm para in a .38 super pistol :shock: Stupid,stupid,stupid.........

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:49 pm
by Lawman
According to wikipedia, the ammo size of .38 ACP and .38 Super are identical. But it is advised to not fire the .38 Super ammo from a .38 ACP caliber pistol due to high pressure of .38 Super ammo.

But is it possible to fire a .38 ACP ammo from a .38 Super caliber pistol ?

Lawman

Re: Colt U.S. Property

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:42 pm
by HydNawab
The 38 ACP does fire in the 38 Super pistol but the problem is that the shell gets jammed in the chamber during ejection and this has happened almost everytime I tried firing it.

So it is definately advisable to use the actual 38 Super ammo which is very hard to find.

Ashar

Re: Colt U.S. Property

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:09 pm
by penpusher
.38 ACP and .38Super are both the same size.While the .38 ACP can be fired in a .38 Super pistol,firing a .38 Super cartridge in a .38 ACP pistol would certainly bring the pistol and/or the shooter to an untimely demise.

Both the .38 ACP and .38 Super ammo. is very difficult to find in India.BTW 9mm para is a rimless cartridge while .38ACP/Auto and .38 Super are semi-rimmed

colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:08 pm
by V-C
Hi I have come across a colt" US property "pistol in green colour can any one tell did colt made pistols with green browning.

Vishal

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:15 pm
by mundaire
The "US Property" marking was for guns purchased by the US government for issue to troops, it is not a model name/ number. The original finish would be a parkerized finish and not blued or browned.

Take some pictures and post them here, if possible with serial no. and other details for a better response...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:33 pm
by V-C
Thanks Abhijeet,
Can not take pictures or model no. as it was seen with a dealer few days back, but yes it had a parkerized finish, is pakerised finish done in green fluorecent colour I have come to know that parkerized finish were in light Grey or Black .

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:46 pm
by The Doc
V-C wrote:pakerised finish done in light florecent green colour.
My friend has a Colt US Property pistol . It is Parkerized and in green colour ( it is kind of light pastel green shade) . However the colour is NOT "fluorescent green" . It is very much authentic and a pleasure to shoot.

best,

RP.

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:08 pm
by V-C
Yes , the colour is sought of green military colour with a non shining finish. Is this the original colour of the pistol

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:29 pm
by mundaire
V-C please also try and help yourself a bit by using the search function here - a quick search by me threw up the following (right on top of the results mind you!):

http://indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php ... 008#p57899

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:41 pm
by The Doc
V-C wrote: Is this the original colour of the pistol
Yes .

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:23 pm
by amk
yes some parkerized finishes appear green-ish. Parkerized finishes are not commonly redoable in India.

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:08 pm
by penpusher
In fact they are very easy to do.The greenish colour that is considered as representative of original aged parkerized finish can also be duplicated.

Re: colt US property

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:23 pm
by Mark
If it were wiped down with gun oil it would probably darken the green to what they usually look like.

Often when parkerized guns are wiped down with a solvent it removes all the surface oil they can look pretty weird until they get another coat of oil again.