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Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby mundaire » Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:38 pm

You must apply for trading access to sell items here-

How To Gain Trading Access- You do not need to apply for access to browse the Classifieds only to sell or post a wanted advertisement.

*Please read all of this before asking questions. EVERY SINGLE WORD or you WILL fail. If you do ask a question and it is clearly covered here you will be added to a black list and will never have trading access. You will only need to apply once not every time you want to advertise.

We have decided to clamp down and try and improve the Classified Area of the forum. Recently the trading ethic has been poor, with many cases of dispute and many unhappy members. We feel this has come about due to the lack of ethic and experience that some of the newer members have as well as some long term members. To counter this, we will be enforcing a new system of access to the classifieds.

The New Application System

Signing up to this site will no longer get you direct (posting) access to the Classifieds sections. Members will have to apply to become part of the “Trading Area Access group" in order to gain (posting) access - as stated earlier everyone can automatically view the advertisements and need not apply for this. To be a successful applicant, you will need to meet following requirements:

Requirements:

1) Have been a member for a minimum of 1 month. Have at least 25 decent posts to your name with quality content (no one liner’s and not all from the day you apply). Before granting you access, the admin will check your post history and may or may not grant you access based on your performance. Your trading access may also be reviewed at any time and if it is found that after the first 25 posts you become a non contributing member towards the forums other than just being here to sell your wares your trading access may be removed.

AND

2) In your application you will need to write a properly structured paragraph making it clear that you have read our rules, that you will abide by our rules and use the templates. SMS language and slang will get your application denied. We want to at least see that you have put a little effort in. Actually citing the rules expressed on this page is the surest way to convince us that you have read them and acknowledge the requirements of using the classifieds section. Simply saying that you have read the rules is NOT satisfactory - if you have indeed read this page you will notice this sentence and our specific request for citation of at least some of the rules! This needs to be in 100 words or less. We dont want your life story make it short and sweet. Just get to the point.

*ANY APPLICATION WITH A POORLY WRITTEN REQUEST WILL BE DENIED.


Acceptance or Rejection of Your Application

Trading requests will usually be processed at least once a week. If you are a successful applicant, you should receive an email and you will be able to make new posts in the classifieds section. You will NOT be notified by PM or email as to the status of your application. We just simply do not have the time to do this. Please do not PM moderators to find out what’s going on or why your application has not been approved. They will not reply. If it wasn't approved you haven't made it clear enough that you have read and understood what is written here. Please try again.

Successful Applicants

Once you have been successfully accepted into the Trading group, you will now be expected to adhere to the Trading Area Rules. Each new thread MUST be in the correct format (see below), and must be consistent with the rules stated in this thread. Any Breach of these rules will result in your trading access being removed permanently and your user name will be suspended/ permanently banned. No questions asked. Correct formats are as follows:


For Sale Format

Subject:


The title/subject must be clear and to the point, It MUST also START with your state of residence just like this-[TN][KER][DEL] etc, ***If this is not done your ad WILL Be deleted*** Users must know exactly what they are opening if they decide to view the post.

Message Body:

ITEM: Full name and model etc.

CONDITION: Provide as much details as possible, try to give the buyer a visual description of what to expect from your words. (Bluing 80%, Stock 50%, Stock cracked near grip, stock has been repolished using varnish, chequering visible but eroded, bore 100%, bolt in good condition but slightly pitted etc)

PRICE AND PRICE CONDITIONS: Such as negotiable, non-negotiable, will or will not consider selling parts separately.

REASON FOR SELLING: A lot of buyers will ask this so please provide a reason, even if its only to say that you need the money

EXTRA INFO: If there is any other info that you'd like to add put it here.

LOCATION: Where you live, and whether or not you are willing to do an interstate deal/ post the goods on offer within India/ restrictions on states you will post to etc

CONTACT: Via PM, email or your phone number. While we do not suggest posting your mobile number on an open forum, at the end of the day this is your choice.

PICTURES: If you don’t have pictures, wait till you click photos of from a few angles and post them here along with your advert. Any advert without clear photos of the actual goods on sale will be deleted. Photos taken from other websites/ manufacturers standard photos will NOT BE ACCEPTABLE. The photos MUST be of the item you are selling, preferably taken from a few different angles.

Example:

Subject-

[DEL] Brno .22 LR Rifle Model 1

Message body-

ITEM:
Brno .22 LR Rifle Model 1, five shot magazine with spare 10 shot magazine. Factory fitted open sights.

CONDITION:
Used, but in perfect working order. 75% of original bluing intact (never been reblued), stock has a small dent in the rear and signs of usage but no cracks or other serious damage.

PRICE AND PRICE CONDITIONS:
INR 1,00,000/-. Face to face sale only.

REASON FOR SELLING:
Buying another rifle, so need to free up a slot on my license.

EXTRA INFO:
Was bought by me brand new in 1980, original import paperwork is still with me and license stamped by Delhi Customs.

LOCATION:
Delhi, will deal face to face only.

CONTACT:
011-5553-8921
PM
Email : xyz [at] abc [dot] com

PICTURES:

Please see following photobucket album: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Look here if you do not know how to Post Pics- http://www.indiansforguns.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5211

Variations on this template will not be accepted.

Copy and paste this below into your message body for the template-

Code: Select all

[b]ITEM:[/b]


[b]CONDITION:[/b]


[b]PRICE AND PRICE CONDITIONS:[/b]


[b]REASON FOR SELLING:[/b]


[b]EXTRA INFO:[/b]


[b]LOCATION:[/b]


[b]CONTACT:[/b]


[b]PICTURES:[/b]



Sold For Sale Posts

When your item/s have been sold please update the thread title(subject) with a SOLD. Do not delete the message Body

Example: [SOLD] Brno .22 LR Rifle Model 1

Now for the rules

#1- NO COMMERCIAL SELLERS ARE ALLOWED. Whether you are an arms dealer OR simply run a small enterprise trading in items which could be of interest to members here, please do not apply for trading access! The classified here are meant for individual members who wish to sell items surplus to their needs and NOT for businesses. If your application is accepted, and later on it turns out that this is a commercial enterprise for you - your trading access will be permanently removed. IF YOU ARE an Arms dealer/ Commercial seller/ Manufacturer etc. please feel free to create a FREE listing under the Yellow Pages section here, DO NOT advertise in the classified here OR post links back to your products/ services etc. in your signature OR under any other section on this website. If and when we have in place a policy for paid advertisements, it will be announced here and you may then choose to use that service.

#2- NO PROXY SELLERS ALLOWED. This includes selling here on behalf of a friend who is not a member/ selling on behalf of an arms dealer/ other business/ previously banned members/ members here who do not have trading access etc. If it is not your own item you have for sale, DO NOT advertise it here. If it is discovered that you are proxy selling on behalf of anyone else, your trading access will be permanently removed.

#3- DO NOT post the item more than once in 7 days; Your For Sale/Wanted Item will be automatically deleted aprox 14 days after you submit it. It is fine to Re-advertise it after 7 days is up (from the time it gets deleted). DO NOT TRY AND GET YOUR ADVERT DELETED AND THEN JUST RE-ADVERTISE THE SAME ITEM AGAIN TO GET IT TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE. THIS "WILL" GET YOU BANNED FROM THIS SITE INSTANTLY - NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

#4- You may only have one single advert in any one classifieds section. So if you have multiple items they all need to be in the one post. If it is found that you have more than one ad in any one classified section your ads will be deleted. And your classifieds access will be removed.

#5- There is to be no EOI (Expressions Of Interest) or OFFERS without a price, you're either selling it or you are not. ALL ADVERTS MUST HAVE A PRICE LISTED

#6- If you have the item advertised on Ebay/ any other website you are more than welcome to advertise it here as well but it must have a price advertised here not just a link to your ebay ad/ other website. It must not be an over inflated price - such adverts will be deleted without warning and repeat offenders will loose their trading access. Once again - any posts without pricing will be removed.

#7- You are unable to reply to threads in any of the Classifieds sections; this includes your own threads. If you wish to add to your For Sale thread, you can edit your original post. Do not try and get your original thread deleted because you want to add to it and re-post it. This will get you banned from this site.

#8- DO NOT post items for sale in any other section than the For Sale sections. This includes posts posing as innocent "price checks", if you wish to get an idea of what your firearm is worth - contact 4-5 different arms dealers in your vicinity, adding 10% to the highest price quoted by a dealer should give you an estimate of the lower end of what it's worth.

#9- If there are any legal issues arising from a sale or purchase of an item from this forum then we will hand over every piece of information to the authorities so the matter can be dealt with no exceptions. So if your item is not legal don't advertise it here. (You "MUST" also sign off on your trading application with "A Big Carving Knife" Just in the application not every time you advertise) *If this isn't done its obvious you did not read this entire post and your application will be rejected.*

Wanted Format

Subject:

Your Title/ Subject MUST include the state at the START- [DEL] [HAR] [PUN] etc. ***If you dont do this your ad WILL be deleted***

It must also include details of what you are looking for. Users must know exactly what they are opening if they decide to view the post.

Message Body

WANTED: Full name and model of the gun/ part/ accessory/ etc. you are after.

WILLING TO PAY: Let them no the price range you want to buy in.

WHERE: Tell them how far your willing to travel. Or if you are happy to pay postage.

CONTACT: Give your contact details, PM, Email or phone number.


Example

Subject-

[MAH] Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil Gun Stock Finish Kit

Message Body-

WANTED:
Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil Gun Stock Finish Kit

WILLING TO PAY:
Up to INR 1,600/-

WHERE:
Prefer Mumbai, MAH but happy to pay postage on actuals.

CONTACT:
Via PM please.

Copy and paste this below into your message body for the template-

Code: Select all

[b]WANTED:[/b]

[b]WILLING TO PAY:[/b]

[b]WHERE:[/b]

[b]CONTACT:[/b]


When your item/s have been found please update the thread title (subject) with a [FOUND] Do not delete the message Body

Only one wanted ad every 14 days. If you want more than one thing it needs to be in the one ad.

If your trading access has been removed you will "NOT" get a message explaining why. It is up to you to re-read these rules and then contact webmaster [at] indiansforguns [dot] com (please do not contact me or any of the other mods via PM) and let the webmaster know what you did wrong and how you plan to fix it in the future. Only then will we consider if you will be allowed to continue trading here.


DISCLAIMER
indiansforguns.com makes no representation or warranty as to the accuracy, completeness or currency of any information or content provided on or accessible via, the indiansforguns.com site. Users must investigate for themselves the suitability, quality and condition of any item they wish to purchase. indiansforguns.com will not accept any legal liability for the information or content on, or accessible via, the indiansforguns.com site. It is your responsibility to verify any information before relying on it. You buy and sell here at your own risk. indiansforguns.com will not be held liable for any deals gone bad on this site. "Trader access status on this site does not imply that the site, its owners, or its adminstrators endorse any trader. It means only that the Trader has agreed to comply with the site's rules for formatting advertisements." Rules may be updated at any time without notice at the discretion of the moderator team.

Lastly some advice; if you are buying something from someone you don't know. Get every aspect of the purchase in detail and try to do it through a proper email address (ie: not a hotmail or yahoo account). If someone has internet access then they will have a legitimate ISP account (mtnl/ bsnl/ airtel/ hathway etc.). It would also be advisable to obtain their land line numbers and maybe even a copy of their license.

By signing up to the classifieds section, you are agreeing that you have read ALL of the above and that you agree to abide by all conditions.

It's obvious if you have not read the rules, and if you haven't and you still sign up anyway, its unlikely you will ever gain access.

*If you do not fit the requirements stated above, your application will be denied. And it could be up to a month before a new application will be considered

Think this is all too hard? It’s supposed to be! If you cannot make the effort to apply for trading access then there would be little chance of you ever abiding by these rules anyway so you may as well head over to Ebay, or some other website which isn't as concerned about it's members being short changed!

Send your applications Via e-mail to - webmaster [at] indiansforguns [dot] com

Do not PM me. Do not PM any other moderators.


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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby Amit357 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:51 pm

Great new,M, IFG was turning into a FOR SALE/ For pulling a fast one site :cheers:



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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby spin_drift » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:56 pm

How about a sections for auctions?


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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby Vikram » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:14 pm

BTT.


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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby disturbed_07 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:06 pm

Edit the topic title, there's a typo..



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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby jonahpach » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:23 am

spin_drift wrote:How about a sections for auctions?



also one for swapping :mrgreen:


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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby Rajat » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:37 am

These days there are more posts in the buy / sell sections than in the regular sections, about time something was done. Lets see how it goes and what effect does it have!
Last edited by Rajat on Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.



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Postby rahul567 » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:26 am

To be honest guys I am guilty of posting a lot in the sell section since the past one month and would have continued to as i got my hands on a cache of some varied and interesting stuff from a friend of mine. Intention was not to fleece anyone , but just got excited dealing with so many interesting objects.
I had become active after a long gap (thanks to the slow down of 2008) and seeing all the commercial activity , i thought it would be acceptable in the forum. I didn't realize this way the true purpose of this forum is lost. I appreciate the the move by the moderators to prevent the forum from loosing its original purpose .



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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby nagarifle » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:02 am

nice one, great job. just need to get my head round all this. :wink:

-- 30 Aug 2011, 06:09 --

nice one, great job. just need to get my head round all this. :wink:


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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby choombak » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:40 am

Wow! Appreciate all the hard-work and efforts gone into forming the rules - almost all bases seem to be covered, including the format of the posts. A big "thank you" to those who got this going.



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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby shooter » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:56 am

I thank the mod team for doing this.
We really needed this.
we can again be IFG rather than 'indians for selling gun oil and other accessories thereby fleecing the public and making money'


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Postby nagarifle » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:02 am

shooter wrote:I thank the mod team for doing this.
We really needed this.

:agree:

we can again be IFG rather than 'indians for selling gun oil and other accessories thereby fleecing the public and making money'


whats wrong in fleecing the public? does not the public also means shop keepers etc :P who fleece us :lol: unless the public gets a bargin they feel they are cheated. :oops:


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Postby bandukbhandar » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:40 am

In last couple of months, new members were joining only for trading. The new rules will look in the matter amicably.



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Postby shooter » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:55 pm

whats wrong in fleecing the public? does not the public also means shop keepers etc who fleece us unless the public gets a bargin they feel they are cheated.


Nothing wrong. If you recall I was trying to sell my browning spare trigger for 5 lakhs (alas it didnt sell despite the cheap price, but thats a different story.)

However many people were joining IFG just to sell and that wasnt why the ifg was started.


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Re: Trading on IFG - How to gain access & the rules

Postby Ashboy » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:40 pm

Hi!
I am a new sign up on this forum, and a cursory browsing led me up to this section.

And I was amazed that how can the moderator can act like a big brother ....I do not know if this does matter; but I would like to voice my opinion:-

a. I never had access to the 'for sale' forum; but i am sure a billion dollar arms deal would not have been transacted thru this website?

b. I do not understand the concept of "No Commercial sellers Allowed" and "No proxy sellers Allowed"; with the new rules that the moderator proposes; how do does he police these issues???

c. the moderators idea is to become a police man? or let members sell their surplus / hobby extras / used items / quick buck sales !!

d. I agree in the proposal of a format for the 'for sale' column and it should not have sms short-forms and everything should be clearly defined with no ambiguity - but my agreement with the moderator ends there.

e. In my opinion the moderator is being a fascist/ dictator as if he rules the forum.. this "Govt of India " attitude is not desirable in micro forums or any where on the internet.. members need to have freedom.. and if the moderator wants to be so "STUCK UP" then he should bar the membership and have a "standing Committee/ screening committee (hehehehe.. )" to check/ 'MODERATE' the membership to this esteemed forum.

f. Even if people are joining this forum to sell their surplus/ hobby stuff; what is the problem with that? There are people who wish to buy the stuff that was being sold. I for one wanted to join in the forum for buying some knives/ hand tools etc.. along with gaining (technologically and from experience) from other guru's in the house . ARE THESE SELLER's NOT DESIRED??

g. In today's world no one fleeces - No one; if you have something to sell then it is upto me to buy it or not! No one is pushing it down my throat and extracting money out of my pocket on a gun/ knife point.

h. This facist move by the moderator reminds of the license raj India witnessed in the 70's where you need to "APPLY for the Permission" and if the MASTERS do not deem fit then your application is rejected/ denied.... is this where this forum wants to go to..

i. today the moderator is setting anarchic rules for "FOR SALE" posting ; tomorrow when he is again in a bad mood - there would be rules for other posts as well....... where is our freedom people. The moderator is to see the forum running well and not as a -ve police man.

j. Why this allergy to sellers (i am not a seller but a buyer / collector); without these SELLERS how would we fuel our hobby??

with this comment I would like to express my discontent with the moderator and urge fellow gun / knife lovers to express an opinion as to where would they like to see this forum going?

I came across a reply to this post from a member (name withheld) and he was almost apologizing for posting the articles that he wanted to sell - well fellow commerade’s please do not be apologetic - you have committed no crime- this is a free economy and there is no need to feel guilty.. the person who needs to feel guilty is the moderator who has come up with this weird ‘LAW’.

if we lick up to the moderator(s) and satisfy their whim and fancy then we may be given the permission to post- other wise - we should remain quiet (typically the today's Indian Govt.; isn’t it???)

Guy's do not miss the threatening overtones and the warnings- if you do this I hand you, if you do this I shoot you, if you do this again I slaughter you... what are we doing here... running a slave country......

WAKE UP Mr. Moderator!!!!!!!

- guys I guess this going to me my last post; for knowing how the moderator is - he is not going to take my suggestions in the right spirits and instead - "KICK me/ Ban me / Delist me/ remove this post"

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