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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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RKBA
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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While petitions can help raise awareness, they don’t always result in immediate, tangible change. To drive significant impact, consider engaging in...
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Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:10 pm
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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General ramblings
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Last post by caracass77
Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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IOF.22 LR
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Joseph Jayachandran » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:42 pm
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Hi, I had recently got a Rifle License and was looking to buy a .22 IOF make rifle, when I checked out the prices with Bangalore arms dealers, they...
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HI,
similar prices in J&K as well.I also booked IOF .22 2009.Wood is not walnut but something which resembles walnut.Wood finish is awaful.Cheek pad...
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:39 pm
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need help for buying .22 rifle
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dilip.willys » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:15 pm
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Hi Abhijeet;
i am new at this forum & very happy to be proud member of IFG.I have a muzzle loader witch belonged to my grandpa.now i m planing to...
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Hi Abhijeet;
i am new at this forum & very happy to be proud member of IFG.I have a muzzle loader witch belonged to my grandpa.now i m planing to...
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Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:37 am
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bedding weaver mounts anyone?
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eljefe » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:16 am
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Hi, In the process of getting a new stevens200 in 223,I believe its a Savage 110 without the accutrigger.
Supposedly a budget rifle.Thats why I...
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Hooray, dednutz ships, no taklifs!
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Last post by eljefe
Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:22 am
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rates for 30 springfield sports model rifle
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teotia.rahul » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:03 pm
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need approx market price for 30 Springfield sports model rifle in good condition???
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need approx market price for 30 Springfield sports model rifle in good condition???
Depends upon the greed of the seller and the desperation of the...
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Last post by winnie_the_pooh
Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:54 am
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GETTING 30-06 PLEASE HELP ME ?
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nikhil » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:47 pm
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HELLO FRIENDS
I NEED YOUR HELP I AM GETTING 30-06 RIFLE MAKE RAICK FRERES MADE IN BELGIUM WHAT SHOULD BE THE PRICE AND THIS IS A RIGHT WEAPON TO...
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Nikhil,
The provenance of the rifle seems to be good.Much depends on the condition of the rifle.Have you checked-up keenly the condition of the...
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Last post by Vikram
Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:48 pm
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Rechambering 7.9 werke mauser to 8mm?
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amjadkarim16 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:07 am
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Hi,
I have 7.9mm werke mauser 1937 make.Will post pics of markings.I spoke to an eminent IFGian,he said that in WW 2 era all bores around 8mm i.e;7.9...
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Ah, lots of steel wool and kerosene oil, I see! happy scrubbing
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Last post by eljefe
Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:16 pm
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8X57 cartridge clarification
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p_sircar » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:32 pm
Dear Friends,
i am thinking of buying a 8X57 rifle.As a replacement for my IOF 315.
Made by BRNO.
The following markings and sr. no. is engraved on...
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Last post by eljefe
Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:10 pm
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SMLE .303, 7.62 & .410
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mundaire » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:08 pm
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What does smle stand for I am really duh on this.
SMLE stands for Small Magazine Lee Enfield, it's the correct name for the 303 rifles that were in...
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So many years later-
I just brought home a No4 Smelly in 303. Its made by Enfield and is in fine fettle.2 groove barrel, a 100 174 gr HPBT match ammo...
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Last post by eljefe
Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:18 pm
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Mosin Nagant -- for Vassili & m24
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timmy » Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:37 am
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Gentlemen:
As you are probably aware, the Mosin Nagant was adapted by the Russian Empire as their service rifle in 1891. It was a result of...
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Absolut good read..
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Last post by diskaon
Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:34 pm
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M1 carbine
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vrohan59 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:07 am
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Hi everyone,
Anyone know if the .30 M1 carbine is a n.p.b weapon,if yes how does one procure it?
Rohan
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The rifle M1 Carbine by the virtue of being a semi auto is a Prohibited but, the m1 .30 cartridge that it fires is not. In other words, any fire arm...
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Last post by marksman
Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:49 am
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gun smoke
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eljefe » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:13 pm
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Had a bit of time at the range today, more to zero in the new 243.As usual, any smell of gunpowder leaves me happy :D
here come some pics, the 243...
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Asif
Second Inder's advise get a shotty you are all set for some birds..I am also more of rifle guy. Only ones I can buy in my sin city are Beretta...
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Last post by Sakobav
Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:26 pm
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performance of 30-30
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indian » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:47 pm
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hi guys..an elderly friend of mine offered me his winchester 30-30 rifle(price not yet fixed).what r your ideas on that caliber.i already have some...
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Does anyone have 30.30 underlever win rifle,how much is the market price going on for this rifle in India.Can we get ammo for this.
thanks
James
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Last post by james02
Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:59 pm
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my Norinco JW15A .22lr bolt rifle
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airvolver » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:07 pm
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this is my .22lr Norinco JW15A bolt action rifle. this made in china rimfire is excellent value for money....and extremely accurate! really really...
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Kenny,
Airvolver seems to be in S Africa, per his post!
I leave it at that :roll:
I hear good things about this Brno clone, and costs very little,...
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Last post by eljefe
Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:09 pm
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Getting License for IOF 30-06 Rifle
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RamMani » Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:44 am
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Dear Members,
I already have one SBBL License. Is there any restrictions or conditions to get License for IOF 30-06 Rifle.
I am working as a Er. in...
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my mistake i did not read all the posts ! now i will also purchase one ! and its truce
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:54 pm
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:21 pm
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MS in 280 -from Darwinmauser
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eljefe » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:53 pm
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Hello all ,
I could not wait to show off my Mannlicher Schoenauer ,this rifle is in the process of being rebuilt at the moment , the stock work...
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Hello xl-target ,
yes I can't wait to try her out ,I should have it back by the end of January or early February . Gordon has taken exceptional care...
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Last post by darwinmauser
Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:42 am
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Barrett's 98 Bravo
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m24 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:27 am
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For all Barrett lovers. :)
Source:
Pretty much every gun guy would love to own a Barrett .50 BMG rifle, but not everyone can afford one and...
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A .338 LM is overkill for almost everything. The cartridge will defeat class 2 body armour at 1500 yards.
The bullet (250 grain) has more energy at...
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Last post by MoA
Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:18 am
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A UP style IOF .315 Rifle
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arshad_ahmad48 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:43 pm
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Please take a look at this and do drop comments:-
This has been done at our shop to fulfill a desire of one of our client.
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no it is legal
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Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:11 pm
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Last post by Vikram
Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:13 am
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Scoping a BSA 0.22 rifle with tube magazine
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shooter_169 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:16 pm
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Mates I've got my BSA Fifteen Scoped. But the problem is that once I got it zeroed at 25yards, the rifle is shooting at 5 O'clock position abot...
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Unfortunately you can read a few articles about it, and think you can go read wind. Then you start shooting and realise that it isnt easy, and then...
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Last post by MoA
Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:25 pm
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Price of the rifle.
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singh_hp » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:30 pm
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My friend has two rifles :
1) .30 06 BSA Williams in good condition
2) .30 06 Parker hale Midland in brand new condition
Can some one help by...
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i want to but a riffle of bore inbetween .24 cal to .27 cal (imported)anyone having any clue about it
You know you can start your own thread...
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Last post by m24
Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:17 pm
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Werke Mauser 7.92x57mm 1936 make.what price?
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Sakobav » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:20 am
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Welcome aboard Ajmad
7.92mm werke mauser 1936 - Thats a great find - surprised every day on type of guns that can still be found in India. May be...
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MoA: The K does indeed stand for Karabiner , not kurz /short. Sorry, Grumps. Cheers.
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Last post by TwoRivers
Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:13 pm
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Best NP Bore rifle available with Indian dealers
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zinx » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:39 pm
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I am new to using guns but m considering acquiring a rifle , What is the best NP Bore rifle available with Indian dealers and for what price .
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Best NP bore Rifle with Indian dealers in terms of different brands, the price and general condition of the rifle I think would be a .22lr
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Last post by Timnorris
Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:26 pm
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M4 Carbine - Let the good times roll!
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kragiesardar » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:07 am
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Have a new toy. 5.56X45mm, semi auto (the receiver has fake embossing of a safe, semi and full auto) also the magazine will take only ten rounds and...
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Congrats Ksardar have fun shooting great addition..
Cheers
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Last post by Sakobav
Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:18 am
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Long Range Rifle Shooting
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m24 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:03 pm
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A good article on Long Range Rifle Shooting:
There are three articles, so suggest going through them in order.
For the regulars at Oleg Volk's...
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Zak is a great guy. He runs a number of comps in the US, and is actually an excellent shot. He is always willing help people out, and personally he...
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Last post by MoA
Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:46 am
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IOF 315 rifle-Suggestions please
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MANDEEP » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:24 pm
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i am being offerd a new .315 right from indian ordence factory by a dealer
what do u guys think it price must be
can u suggest me its pros and...
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Hi Mandeep,
a .315 and .22 lr cannot be compared as both are leagues apart in terms of size,energy,range,application,cost etc. Depends on what you...
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Last post by Vikram
Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:02 pm
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rifle
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MANDEEP » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:22 pm
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can u help me buy a new rifle
my budget is around 60000/
single / carbin / tublar \
any will do
suggets me a good make
which fires accurate shots
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What do you intend to do with it,Mandeep? If it is plinking, a .22lr IOF rifle is in the order. You can accurise it after you buy it.
Best-
Vikram
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Last post by Vikram
Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:08 pm
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Buying a New Rifle in New Delhi !!!
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harry_guddu » Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:38 pm
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Hi All,
I did rifle shooting during my school days ...Feeling the same intensity for rifle shooting again but I do not have any air rifle now...I...
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IHP distributor-M/s Art crafts sales (Retails)
I didn't know IHP was a piece of art !! :D
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Last post by The Doc
Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:32 pm
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Only have a lowly .22? Think again.
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dev » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:17 pm
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Hi Guys,
I have always enjoyed shooting the .22 lr for its inexpensive and fun properties. Every 22 cartridge case specially the ones made by CCI...
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Hi Dev in Himachal Wild Boar was declared vermin in 2007, i own some land there, for crop protection i have shot wild boar with 22 LR Winchester Hard...
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Last post by Amit357
Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:08 pm
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Rifle Enfield Mle 1907
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The Doc » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:44 am
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Pictures of things worth possessing ..........
best,
Rp.
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Sweet!
Never saw the old 303 as a thing of beauty.
Thanks for sharing!
Same for me, as well. Compared to a trim M98 German sporter, I didn't...
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Last post by darwinmauser
Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:07 am
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How to mount a scpoe
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Tai Ahom » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:54 pm
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Hi All
I have a Brno Model 2 and on the process of aquring a Bushnell 3-9x32 scope. Will be of great help if the gurus would suggest ways to mount it...
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Thanks
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Last post by Tai Ahom
Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:11 pm
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REMINGTON
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vipul singh » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:50 pm
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:D what is the approx price of remington in india :D
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i will try for the pictures vikram
actually it has a capacity of 3 rounds and is little bit heavier than iof .22 rifle
but a nice looking gun with a...
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Last post by vipul singh
Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:08 pm
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Remington double rifle
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eljefe » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:47 pm
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All, here'a a double rifle from Remington in 30-06 and 45-70
about 750 USD. more at the following link.
Best
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Why is the 45-70 such a popular cartridge in US?
Because it is very versatile. Those interested in black powder can shoot it in the manner for...
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Last post by timmy
Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:35 am
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Which weapon Revolver or Rifle
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Royal Gun House » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:29 am
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Hi
I received one photo of a gun , I don't recognize this weapon , could anyone tell which weapon is this ?
hs
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Hi Royal Gun House
What is latest and good model in Brno in india and what wil be cost of it
pls advise
k
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Last post by Kenny
Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:45 pm
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Solving a flyer problem...
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MoA » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:30 pm
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I would keep getting unexplained flyers, consistently and had attributed it to my lack of skill. The loads in the second picture are actually two...
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Nope... stock was touching the barrel. Hence an amount of material needed to be removed from it to ensure a clean free float to the recoil lug.
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Last post by MoA
Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:51 pm
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Differences between Sniper Rifles and Competitive guns
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MoA » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:33 pm
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There seems to be a widespread belief that Sniper rifles are the be all and end all of rifles as far as accuracy goes. Indeed most sniper rifles like...
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Thanks for that post, MoA. That did clear some issues.
Regards
Let me know what else... and I am happy to provide all the information I have.
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Last post by MoA
Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:19 pm
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Why only the muzzle gets angry
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Virendra S Rathore » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:05 pm
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Gentlemen,
Out of curiosity, it came to my mind when my cousin in Air Force told me hold how they got their hands burnt by accidentally holding the...
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Thanks a lot for clarifying.
Regards,
Virendra
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Last post by Virendra S Rathore
Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:09 pm
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keeping the eye in...
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eljefe » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:34 pm
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Got back from an enjoyable afternoon.we had an informal 300m shoot and it was a pleasure to meet up with the guys and watch the wind ;)
pics...
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I guess you got lucky...
I personally dont really use a chrono, I let the target tell me how a load is performing. Personally I dont really care how...
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Last post by MoA
Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:16 pm
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Advice on savage .22" hornet rifle
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Gurbir » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:18 pm
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hello everybody
i need advice of experts on savage rifles, especially .22 hornet a dealer is offering one for 1.30Lacs, haven't seen the rifle just...
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I would love to have a .22 Hornet -- I think that the big rationale for the caliber is that it is reloadable and one has a selection of bullets. It...
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Last post by timmy
Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:27 am
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Where will I find 9 x 57 caliber rifle cartridges
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kaushaltomar » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:45 pm
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Dear Friends,
Hi,
One of my close relative has got 9x57 caliber rifle.
I will be highly thankful if any gentlemen helps me out in telling me the...
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I wouldnt advise using 8x 57 ammo in a 9 x 57 mauser but if ur shooting not more than 10 rounds a year and that too for display, u can safely do it....
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Last post by winnie_the_pooh
Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:16 am
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Mauser 66s Action
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HydNawab » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:31 am
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Guys,
Could someone please give their reviews and thoughts on the Mauser 66s action. Which action is more preferable? The Mauser 98 or the Mauser...
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Target shooting. See it fairly often, given that the K-98, Vz-24's are fairly common and popular around here.
Most often with rifles that are not...
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Last post by MoA
Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:53 pm
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Got something back... or the Vz 58 became a Cz858
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MoA » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:13 pm
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Had a Vz 58 that had been converted to semi only. However the rifle would keep going auto, even with the selector on semi.. so sent it back....
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Anyhow got all of the oil off, and went firing.
Cant tell the difference between the Vz58 and Cz 858 with the exception of the missing happy switch....
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Last post by MoA
Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:08 pm
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A new rifle by Thompson Center
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Sakobav » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:08 pm
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This is new affordable rifle for $449. Thompson produces very accurate single shot rifles
Thompson/Center introduces the New T/C Venture, the most...
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Vickers
No harm in dreaming mate but until I get a Hunter ed permit and leave this fair city its not gonna happen to name a few reasons. But I read...
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Last post by Sakobav
Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:37 am
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.303 Lee Enfield... Can I........?
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bettymoo » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:46 pm
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Will I be able to purchase a lee enfield SMLE in India? I currently do not possess a fire arm license. How would I go about getting one ( both the...
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I have been in the market for one for quite some time . I think the NCC modified some 0.303 for training purposes . Doc confirms the modification . I...
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Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:13 pm
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Last post by vaghmax
Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:10 pm
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Rifle ID Quiz on my new acquisition
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vishosingh » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:46 pm
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hi guys
just acquired a new rifle lets see how many of you can identify it.
it still needs some checkering a coat of matt polish and a new...
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Thank you Visho.
Do post the pictures of the final result . :)
best,
Rp.
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Last post by The Doc
Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:57 pm
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Customising the IOF 315 (was "help needed")
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bullshitwalks » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:58 pm
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dear esteemed members,
i need help regarding the customisation of my iof 315 rifle. i have two one with a holding butt and other in original factory...
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(Hope he doesn't mind me doing this) Z375 is another member who has quite a bit of hands on experience.All the best.
Best-
Vikram
Not at all...
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Last post by z375
Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:47 pm
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Lever action rifles
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Sakobav » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:49 am
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I was looking up Winchester model 88 lever action rifle
Sako Finnwolf
Just wondering what members experience are with such guns for...
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The .33 Winchester is the .45-70 case necked to take a 200 grain .338 bullet. Muzzle velocity was 2200 fps. It seemed to be one of the few American...
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Last post by cottage cheese
Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:53 pm
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Is this Sauer 202 a good buy
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Sakobav » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:01 am
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Folks
I am not looking to buy this gun but I was wondering if the members think this used Sauer 202 .375 HandH is a good buy.
Comments : This is...
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Succumbing to temptation is oh so sweet ........... :mrgreen:
Yup doc it is but getting flogged by SWMBO aint :deadhorse:
Cheers
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Last post by Sakobav
Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:33 am
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Remington 760 pump action 30 06
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james » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:52 pm
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What would be genuine price for Remington model 760 pump action 30 06 in good condiction in Current Indian market scenorio. Has anyone in the forum...
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:mrgreen:
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Last post by The Doc
Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:21 am
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